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Old 01-08-2017, 12:09 PM
 
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So, it'll never happen, except when it does?
And we would know that how? What's the legal requirement to establish one's "gender of choice?" Cite it.

Is it... because that's how one happens to "feel?" Is there ever any substantiated scientific proof to document the "self-identification?"

Go on... tell us what documentation is required to let anatomical males into the girls' multiple occupancy school gym open locker/shower room other than just that they "say" they "feel" like they're a girl?.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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And we would know that how? What's the legal requirement to establish one's "gender of choice?" Cite it.

Is it... because that's how one happens to "feel?" Is there ever any substantiated scientific proof to document the "self-identification?"

Go on... tell us what documentation is required to let anatomical males into the girls' multiple occupancy school gym open locker/shower room other than just that they "say" they "feel" like they're a girl?.
You're good at asking questions.
Less good at answering them.
You're also arguing ghosts.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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No, not "scientific fact". Scientific illiteracy.
Cite any instance in which an established XY has spontaneously mutated into an XX. You can't. Scientific fact.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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Scientific fact says that some people do not follow the expected developmental patterns. Scientific fact also says that there is a lot to learn yet on this topic.
Scientific fact establishes a difference between XY and XX. They do not spontaneously mutate to be the opposite in middle school or even grade school.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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You're good at asking questions.
Less good at answering them.
You're also arguing ghosts.
You just won't answer the questions because the answers are unpalatable to you.

What's the legal requirement to establish one's "gender of choice?" Cite it.

Is it... because that's how one happens to "feel?" Is there ever any substantiated scientific proof to document the "self-identification?"

Go on... tell us what documentation is required to let anatomical males into the girls' multiple occupancy school gym open locker/shower room other than just that they "say" they "feel" like they're a girl?

Hey, guess what... I "feel" like I'm poor. Can I stop paying federal income tax now? No? Why not? My feelings are just as valid and legitimate as males who "feel" like they're female.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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Cite any instance in which an established XY has spontaneously mutated into an XX. You can't. Scientific fact.
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Scientific fact establishes a difference between XY and XX. They do not spontaneously mutate to be the opposite in middle school or even grade school.
You really need to read that link that has now been posted twice.

No one is saying someone's sex chromosomes will mutate.

Transgender kids can and do start showing signs of their gender preference as toddlers, as do those who are not transgendered.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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Scientific fact establishes a difference between XY and XX. They do not spontaneously mutate to be the opposite in middle school or even grade school.
Who said anything about sex chromosomes mutating spontaneously into their "opposite"?????

As nearly as I can tell, you're the only one bringing up such a silly idea.

I already knew that you didn't understand anything at all about genetic expression in development. (And don't want to understand it.)

Now I know you don't know anything about mutation, either.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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You really need to read that link that has now been posted twice.
I have. There is not one single citation of someone's DNA mutating from XY to XX or vice versa.

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No one is saying someone's sex chromosomes will mutate.
Exactly. One is either XX or XY in all but extremely rare circumstances. No "choice" in the matter whatsoever. Scientific fact.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Who said anything about sex chromosomes mutating spontaneously into their "opposite"?????
Sex chromosomes determine gender. They don't mutate. There is no "choice" in what gender one is when one is either XY or XX. Scientific fact.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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I have. There is not one single citation of someone's DNA mutating from XY to XX or vice versa.
Of course there isn't. Because exactly NO ONE, besides you, thinks that is the issue.
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