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View Poll Results: Do you support Rand Paul's Plan?
YES 20 27.03%
NO 54 72.97%
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Another Ayn Rand. She ended up collecting on all that you know.

All talk.

Typical conservative.
Despicable. You have a problem with someone getting their money back?
Is it because you think government owns you and your money and should be able to do what they want with it? You haven't learned one thing about governments role and the rights of the individual.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:20 PM
 
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Pre-existing conditions kills it. Has to be in there. For ALL insurance, gov't or not. Back to the drawing board. I want to hear something about big pharma. Same drug is 1/8 to 1/3 the price outside of the US? Hello!? Alternative treatment regimens where people actually survive, only if you have enough sense to buy an airline ticket! Start there, babe.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And that's what we're going back to. Pure profit because they won't have to cover people who have preexisting conditions, can impose lifetime caps, and can drop anyone who has the audacity to make a claim, even if they have been paying on a plan for years without ever making a claim before. This, folks, is the Republicans' idea of healthcare reform.
Why yes one should always ignore the first rule when purchasing a product. A quality product for a fair price.

Since when does an intelligent customer say "well it's good deal but your making too much so I won't purchase your product".
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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Why yes one should always ignore the first rule when purchasing a product. A quality product for a fair price.

Since when does an intelligent customer say "well it's good deal but your making too much so I won't purchase your product".
No, a more apt analogy is saying I will purchase your product, and I will pay monthly installments on it, possibly for years. But the minute I try to use it you will take it away from me, while keeping all of the money I've paid in already. That's what the insurance companies pre-ACA were allowed to do. And that's what they'll go back to doing under the GOP.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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Why yes one should always ignore the first rule when purchasing a product. A quality product for a fair price.

Since when does an intelligent customer say "well it's good deal but your making too much so I won't purchase your product".
Few are saying that.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Few are saying that.
lol Take your blinders off. Look around. People often complain about companies profits while ignoring the value of the product they get.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, a more apt analogy is saying I will purchase your product, and I will pay monthly installments on it, possibly for years. But the minute I try to use it you will take it away from me, while keeping all of the money I've paid in already. That's what the insurance companies pre-ACA were allowed to do. And that's what they'll go back to doing under the GOP.
No, my initial post was spot one. You never mentioned the care that the individual receives. Did it ever occur to you that when companies make money others will get into that field and either drive down prices or increasing quality or both?

Get government out of the healthcare business. What do you think is driving prices up? All the competition? or the free market? Those aren't happening.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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Problem is the market can't and won't solve many issues (HC being one).

I don't see your anti-liberal rant offering anything approaching a workable alternative. Bottom line we have the highest HC costs in the developed world. We pay the most for care and we have (will have again) the largest number of uninsured people in the developed world. This is not a coincidence. The Gov't is the only entity that can solve the problem. Perhaps congress should be mandated to use whatever HC alternative they off to the public.
That is because your premise is flawed. It is not the responsibility of the people to provide health care for individuals. It is the responsibility of the individual to provide for themselves.

This is why no solution will meet your needs as your needs are that of subjugating the masses to pay for the people you deem deserve to have their health care paid for.

This is why I keep saying that there are few people in the US who respect liberty anymore, they all have some convoluted ideal of how they want the government to subjugate others for their benefit. Basically... it is a country filled with lazy moochers all fighting over who gets control over the thugs.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:35 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Medicare premium for the average household income = $125/person, so for a family of 4 that will be $500. That is way cheaper than any existing insurance policy including group policies and ACA exchanges.

Medicare has a deductible of about $1400 which is also way less than most existing deductibles.

Medicare allows you to choose you doctor.

If you want more coverage than what part A/B give you, you can get one of many Medicare supplemental plans, some of which lower the deductible and co-pays to zero!

What's not to like about that????
Medicare is for people over 65. I don't know where you come up with family of 4.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:36 PM
 
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Another Ayn Rand. She ended up collecting on all that you know.


All talk.


Typical conservative.
Blah blah, typical progressive, all useless commentary and no logical rebuttal.

Go bloviate to someone who is intimidated by your garbage.
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