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View Poll Results: Will Congress Vote to Repeal Obamacare before Obama Leaves Office?
Yes 8 24.24%
No 25 75.76%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-13-2017, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Watched a portion of Paul Ryan's Town Hall on CNN last night. As it relates to healthcare, he stuck to block granting funds to states to take care of those under 65 with preexisting conditions. This would remove the high risk population from the pool of heathy insured people, thus reducing people's premiums. No one in the audiences asked him to define condition as in preexisting. If states leave it to insurers, as most did prior to the ACA, the Federal Government could end up picking up the tab for a substantial percentage of the population.

He went onto talk about Federal tax credits to offset the cost of premiums including how some very low income people would get refunds in excess of what they paid in taxes. Again, Federal Givernment picking up the cost.

There was some blah blah about providing incentives to states to achieve CDC health goals, vaccinated population and weight.

He joined this program to Medicare/ Medicaid Reform, creating the option for vouchers in addition to the traditional programs. No one in the audience asked if the Federal government would require health insurers to insure the elderly population and Ryan did not go there.

He referred all to his web site for further information.

R's can repeal ACA without D's. The ACA cannot be replaced without the buy in of enough D's.

Repealing the ACA without a replacement is symbolic and a non- starter.
Pre-existing is in the eye of the insurer. Anyone who's ever seen a therapist or been treated for allergies can be defined as having a pre-existing condition, How large will these pools be?

 
Old 01-13-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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If Congress votes to repeal while Obama is still in office he can veto that.
They're running out of time; they have one week before Trump is inaugurated. They just won't do it before then.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 06:47 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I am sure the big insurances company's lobbyist drafting laws now- that the rebubs have NO clue what they will mean-- as they never read anything. It will be another heavy 30000 pager,,, medicine is not changing a tire- watch
Probably since they wrote the ones in force now...
 
Old 01-14-2017, 01:38 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Republicans are a fundamentally dishonest lot. They keep saying Obamacare failed, without mentioning the fact that they made it fail. They sabotaged it on every turn (fighting it, spreading lies (death panels), undermining public confidence, refusing medicaid expansion), and in states with a Democratic governorship, it's doing quite well.

Of course, the real irony is that Obamacare is the compromise plan. It's basically the Republican's plan from the Dole days, with some elements the Democrats wanted.

That's why it's so hard for them to replace it. They want people not to have healthcare, now they have to present something to make it seem like they're not just trying to **** over sick people.
 
Old 01-16-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Pickerington, Ohio
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The NEW Congress is in session. All legislation passed since last week can wait until Trump is inaugurated. They do not have to send it to Obama who will just veto it. What they can't do is send bills passed in the LAST Congress to Trump to sign without it being voted on again by the NEW Congress.
I appreciate the clarification. That makes sense.
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