Trump promises insurance for everyone (Walmart, abuse, supporters, votes)

[GABESTA535]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Typical Hillary mindset, but at least Hillary received donations from the Health care Insurance and Pharma Industry. I have to assume to you get NO donations and yet you repeat the same message.

Medical treatment is high because many drugs cost a ton of money. In Canada these drugs can be had for a fraction. Part of the package will include the ability to negotiate the prices of drugs down. That an epinephrine injection with a drug that cost a dollar can be sold by $700.00 is part of the problem with Obama care.

THat's because Canada has universal healthcare and the drug companies have no other entities to sell the drugs to. Unless Trump is proposing universal healthcare, that won't work here.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by greywar

Never mind. Trump...misspoke

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-competition/?

We're back to the poor dying again.

Yay! selling policies across state lines! That will work.

Except for the states that have tried it found that no companies WANTED to sell across state lines. But hey, THIS time it'll work. "Believe me, it'll be great!"

[greywar]

Originally Posted by GABESTA535

THat's because Canada has universal healthcare and the drug companies have no other entities to sell the drugs to. Unless Trump is proposing universal healthcare, that won't work here.

He's not as I just posted. Its just more of the same.

This is not going to end well. LOL. Cant wait to see Republicans try and make this work.

I love the part about how he will get the costs of drugs down, its basically taking some of the worst ideas from Venezuela and running with it. Which given how often people here have railed against that should make their response fascinating.

[jetgraphics]

ALTERNATIVE TO ACA?
=\=\=\=\=
It is illogical to expect a remedy for skyrocketing costs in healthcare from government, when government is the source of those costs skyrocketing.
Government is the cause, not the remedy.
Every increase in cost, put upon the patient, to buy healthcare, can be traced back to government.
[] Insurance - allowing companies to skim huge profits, while imposing more administrative paperwork, and restrictions on the physician
[] Licensing - which contributed to increased costs, so that “free” people have to buy permission slips (prescriptions) to purchase medical care
[] Scarcity - controlled access to medical education and deliberate reduction in the number of medical schools and thus the pool of physicians, was augmented with government’s approval
[] Bureaucracy - the overhead and expense of administration

Best remedy - end all government regulation of medicine and healthcare.

BEFORE GLORIOUS SOCIALISM (pre-1933)
. . .
1930 example
FCHP - Hospital bill from 1930
In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)
. . .
LA:
Verdugo Views: There was a time when a hospital stay cost $4 a day - LA Times
($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
Average Cost Per Inpatient Day Across 50 States in 2010
Hospital bed cost per day
United States
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629
- - - -
- - - -
What destroyed the pre-Socialist system of inexpensive medical care?

Can you remember:
[] The charity hospitals operated and staffed by various religious and philanthropic agencies which were replaced with for-profit corporations
[] Charity wards, for low or no fee care
[] The simple family practice of one physician and perhaps one nurse
[] The dentist with a “two chair” practice, and no staff of assistants and technicians ($10 filling, $20 extraction)
- - -
- - -
Healthcare and government should be mutually exclusive. Government meddling has caused all the problems “single payer healthcare” is supposed to resolve.

Giving a corrupt government the authority over life and death is a sure fire way to become a whimpering slave, begging for the “right” to privileged medical care.
= = = = =

[greywar]

Every nation in the world has government ran healthcare, thats FAR less expensive then ours....which is still NOT government ran.

By FAR the obvious choice is single payer, government ran.

[take57]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

ALTERNATIVE TO ACA?
=\=\=\=\=
It is illogical to expect a remedy for skyrocketing costs in healthcare from government, when government is the source of those costs skyrocketing.
Government is the cause, not the remedy.
Every increase in cost, put upon the patient, to buy healthcare, can be traced back to government.
[] Insurance - allowing companies to skim huge profits, while imposing more administrative paperwork, and restrictions on the physician
[] Licensing - which contributed to increased costs, so that “free” people have to buy permission slips (prescriptions) to purchase medical care
[] Scarcity - controlled access to medical education and deliberate reduction in the number of medical schools and thus the pool of physicians, was augmented with government’s approval
[] Bureaucracy - the overhead and expense of administration

Best remedy - end all government regulation of medicine and healthcare.

BEFORE GLORIOUS SOCIALISM (pre-1933)
. . .
1930 example
FCHP - Hospital bill from 1930
In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)
. . .
LA:
Verdugo Views: There was a time when a hospital stay cost $4 a day - LA Times
($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
Average Cost Per Inpatient Day Across 50 States in 2010
Hospital bed cost per day
United States
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629
- - - -
- - - -
What destroyed the pre-Socialist system of inexpensive medical care?

Can you remember:
[] The charity hospitals operated and staffed by various religious and philanthropic agencies which were replaced with for-profit corporations
[] Charity wards, for low or no fee care
[] The simple family practice of one physician and perhaps one nurse
[] The dentist with a “two chair” practice, and no staff of assistants and technicians ($10 filling, $20 extraction)
- - -
- - -
Healthcare and government should be mutually exclusive. Government meddling has caused all the problems “single payer healthcare” is supposed to resolve.

Giving a corrupt government the authority over life and death is a sure fire way to become a whimpering slave, begging for the “right” to privileged medical care.
= = = = =

I enjoyed nickel beer but I'm afraid that too is another ghost of the past...

[okcthunder1945]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Yes mine when from $450 to $1080 a month in the 4 years Ocare has been in effect.
I can no longer afford it thanks to Obama and the Democratic party.

Notice since Ocare was passed back in 2010, Democrats have lost many seats on the State and Federal level. Wonder why.

Yep. This is what happens when you cover those with pre-existing without having enough healthy folks buying in.

Originally Posted by thecoalman

The mandate has failed so what is the point?

It failed because it was too weak. You can't cover everyone without making everyone put something in. Car insurance wouldn't work well either without enough good/lucky drivers.

[NxtGen]

Originally Posted by okcthunder1945

It failed because it was too weak. You can't cover everyone without making everyone put something in. Car insurance wouldn't work well either without enough good/lucky drivers.

Well, might as well urinate on the Constitution and pull out the sickle and hammer if you think this needs to happen.

[MichiganGreg]

There is only one thing that could be done to improve health insurance.

Force every member of congress to have the same health-care as the recipients of their legislation. If they pass a bill, they have to move to the policy for themselves and family.

I suspect we'd see bipartisan changes.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by MichiganGreg

There is only one thing that could be done to improve health insurance.

Force every member of congress to have the same health-care as the recipients of their legislation. If they pass a bill, they have to move to the policy for themselves and family.

I suspect we'd see bipartisan changes.

We can insist on this but because of extreme partisanship we will not. Far too many care too much about their party than what is best for the country.