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I don't think I've put one person on my ignore list, ever. 109?? I just had to comment on it because you made it seem as if you quickly block people who upset you.
The stereotype of feminists is that they can't handle criticism, or they ignore arguments based on how it makes them feel, so that would be kind of funny.
Just wanted to note that in hunter gatherer societies women were not just sitting around with babies on their boobs lol. Many anthropologists have discovered that women hunted also - they just hunted smaller animals like rabbits and other smaller mammals. Early Men and Women were Equal Say Scientists
With a baby on their boob. Talk about multi-tasking.
I think it is important to note, that while some of those careers are technically open to women now, they could still be quite hostile to women if you get there. It could be small things.
Like for example, I used to work in tech hardware sales and marketing. When I went to trade shows, maybe 1/3 of the companies would have booth babes: women who knew nothing about the tech dressed in skimpy and/or sexy outfits. What that meant for me? Well when people came to my booth they'd assume I had no idea about the product and I was there for decoration. Or they just ignored me and found a male colleague to talk to. Or they would grill me extra hard because of course women had to be clueless about this hardware stuff.
Now I work for a software company. And I am older. The booth babe thing isn't as common any more. And I don't work the booth anymore. But my younger, cuter colleagues have had more than enough sketchy experiences where men comment on their looks. Particularly when I worked at a company that targeted a mostly male developer audience. All kinds of dumb stuff like "Oh you are too pretty to be in a place like this, what do you know about this software."
Long way to go!
Yes, that's sad, and a good point.
I like to pick up old magazines at yard/estate sales. The ads are the most telling thing. I had a Woman's Day once from 1950 (lost it in a house fire). The only black people in the entire magazine are in the ads for Uncle Ben's Rice and Aunt Jemimah Pancake Syrup.
In my 1969 Life Magazine, there is an ad for Hertz Car Rentals with a young woman smiling from behind a desk and the caption says something like, "not only is she pretty, but she can help you with a map or directions, too."
Another ad for an airline that flies to Asia has a group of white stewardesses and a group of Asian stewardesses (which is what they were called then) and reads "Now we have American girls to help you feel at home and Orientals to help you get where you are going". It sounds like prostitution, lol.
I showed it to my daughter. She couldn't believe it. I said, "It's only 1969. It was not that long ago that this sort of thing was acceptable."
A friend of mine had a child at 16 in the 1970s. Father was no help, a Vietnam veteran with a drug problem. She was on public assistance, and then entered a program at 18 to get single moms off welfare by putting them in city jobs that had previously only been for men and that were now open to women. She worked at the city bus company in maintenance. The men were so angry that she was there that they did things like deliberately stopped up toilets and threw their feces on the floor for her to clean. And she did it. She said she was going to show them and she shut her mouth and did it because she knew they just didn't want a woman there.
Eventually she moved up to work at the parts desk doing inventory and handing out parts to the mechanics, and she made friends and she supported herself and her daughter. But it was tough for a couple of years.
In the last few years several representatives have been submitting proposal and trying, some succeeding, to chip away at Roe v Wade. For example not allowing doctors to use hospital facilities, requiring vaginal ultrasounds and forcing women to view the fetus, waiting periods, etc. Trying to shut down PP. Not making the morning after pill available. Insurance not covering the pill yet covering viagra.
I think more along the lines of total acceptance of media holding the standard of a woman's image to be unattainable for the majority of women. Like looking like Barbie. As well acceptance of showing women as sex objects. Young girls especially have body issues. Discouraging obesity by teaching proper nutrition and exercise is one thing. Having girls believe they have to be a size 0, have big boobs, wear makeup, etc. to be acceptable is another. And no its not discrimination but it is an issue that faces women to the point of eating disorder, suicide, etc. Of course its not legal. I said some are legal issues others are just issue some women's groups want to address.
Tell me women are not more at risk to be assaulted, raped, injured in domestic violence and murdered by men. Tell me there is absolutely no reason to worry our pretty little heads about being these things because they don't exist. Rapes are actually under reported, especially when it happens to men. I guess we should just ignore it because some times there are false accusations.
No. The US is one of the worst countries for maternity/paternity leave. Again, this is something that would help families. Over 50% of mothers in this county work. Child care and maternity leave are issues for families where both parents need to be employed.
Again, I didnt say I agreed with all issues. And again the point is that the issues that affect women today are often not inequalities or discrimination they are just issues that affect women.
Do you not believe in special interest groups who challenge issues specifically relevant to their lives and move to make improvements?
Specifically that balcks are incarcerated at a much higher rate than whites. Just one of the issues some feminist have taken as a cause. There are many others, I just stated a few. You seem to just want to argue point by point the legitimacy of each consideration of individual feminist groups which was not my point. No one agrees with every cause but I suppose those who do support a cause have their reasons to believe in it.
I actually do have issues with some things you mention here, and it goes back to a post I made earlier...it isn't just feminist extremism. These ideas are pretty common.
I could go back and forth on the specific things I disagree with, but I'm not sure how worthwhile that would be. They could all be major discussions on their own. I just hate all the logical fallacies and emotional arguments masquerading as rational thought. Obviously I'm not lumping all feminist arguments in that category, but it's so common.
Because that's a major problem I see with many feminists and SJWs...almost all that I've encountered actually. They get emotional when you disagree with them and then they run away or shut down the discussion.
Again, not accusing her of doing that, but that's why I asked.
Because that's a major problem I see with many feminists and SJWs...almost all that I've encountered actually. They get emotional when you disagree with them and then they run away or shut down the discussion.
Again, not accusing her of doing that, but that's why I asked.
The only people I block are spammers, mainly because I find some of the trolling people do entertaining. I could easily see hitting that count for someone with less tolerance for trollish behavior though.
The only people I block are spammers, mainly because I find some of the trolling people do entertaining. I could easily see hitting that count for someone with less tolerance for trollish behavior though.
Yeah, maybe. I'd have to see the individual cases. I actually had someone reply to me once (I think I just explained the reasoning behind 'taxation is theft') and they said I had a "very disturbing view of the world" and they were going to block me. I had a pretty good laugh at that one.
Indeed. Where are the MEN lobbying, protesting, supporting fathers? You are expecting a women's advocacy group to take up men's issues. Its like saying why doesn't the NAACP scream over discrimination against whites or why doesn't the ACLU help big Pharm.
But fact is things in family court have and are changing. In most states shared custody is the default. But when will MEN take a equal active role in parenting and caring for the day to day needs of their children. When will MEN fight for custody. That is when courts will see that living with father is in the best interest of the children.
Well there have been lobbying from women to ALLOW women in combat positions and that has just recently been passed. Your complaining about women not being killed because MEN have disallowed them to fill combat positions, Really?
Again, mens issues. Where are the men lobbying for such things, bringing these issues to light. It is not womens fault males are not attending college. Women were not even permitted equal education and college degrees until after 1948. They fought centuries to get there and you expect feminists to take on this "issue" in support of men because now more women are going to college? Think about that for a minuet.
Again mens issues. Where are men demanding these things.
Well yes feminist work to identify discrimination against women and fought to have the same legal benefits and advantages as men. Exactly what all aspects of life where women have all the advantages over men. What were men disallowed by law to do, were they denied equal education, denied funding for sports, were they not permitted to own property or have credit, could they not file charges of rape, did they receive less pay, were they denied jobs, were they banned from using condoms?
Much to my dismay I will go along with much of what you said. Women have screamed and fought to get the rights that they have while men have quietly accepted second class status on a number of fronts. My question then is if men did start doing a better job of advocating for themselves would feminists fight to maintain the status quo where it advantages women?
Scholarships and grants are available to anyone who qualifies. Women often had less education than men in times past. In colonial times girls stayed home and learned housekeeping and sewing etc where as boys went to school. Females were more likely to drop out of school before the 1980s. All genders are encouraged to stay in school these days. However, many factors keep girls out of school in the past such as early marriage( think Loretta Lynn, usually to a much older man), pregnancy,poverty, and gender norms. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16
Women have played various roles in the military. I say patriarchy had prevented it from going forward. For eg, women, are seen as care givers and nurturers of children in times past plus they were seen as the weaker sex , so sending them off to service didn't seem right . We recently made history with the first woman leading a military combat command. Female General Becomes First Woman to Lead US Military Combat Command - ABC News
I think recently courts are realizing moms aren't always the best parent for custody. Again, in times past, women were considered primary caregivers.
Men's health and wellness centers do exist.
I am talking about today, not how women were held back on numerous fronts in the past.
Everyone may get the stay in school message, but the results are boys are currently not graduating high school at the same rate as girls, nor from college at the same rate as women. Just as there are programs to get more girls into computer science and math/hard sciences programs where they have been under represented, what I am saying is why isn't society recognizing we need fro programs specifically targeted at boys that for whatever reason are not making in educationally?
Women breaking the barriers in the military is fairly recent but at this point would feminists support girls having to register for the draft when they turn 18, same as boys still do? Or is the breaking of those former barriers intended to only be for voluntary service in the future? Rights but not obligations?
I'll try to address this point by point, but you packed lots of misinformation in here.
Sexism goes both ways. It limits men too. LEt's be honest, our society doesn't expect men to be caretakers or take care of their children. We stigmatize stay at home dads.
Courts are starting to get a little more progressive about custody, but we still expect the care taking to be done by mom for children. We don't think men are capable.
A friend of mine is dealing with this bias now, while going through a bitter divorce and custody battle. He spent about 18 months to finally get joint custody of his kids. His wife tried to characterize him as an unfit father, but he gave up a potentially lucrative career opportunity to make sure who could live within a few miles of the place of his separated wife, and picked a job with shorter hours to make sure he could maximize availability for the kids.
We need feminism to ensure women are allowed to be more than caretakers and free up space for caretakers to come from either gender. We still have work to do around unpacking gender norms.
Lots of military men still don't think women should be in the front lines, particularly leadership. Our gender norms still want women to be safe in the background. This will likely take another 2 generations. Women were barely allowed in the military.
Why is it in 2017, most drugs are only tested on women and women aren't included in clinical trials, even though women do react differently to medical treatments than men do? The medical industry is very male-centric from a treatment perspective. Here is an interesting podcast on this very topic. Bad Medicine, Part 2: (Drug) Trials and Tribulations - Freakonomics Freakonomics
We have still done very little research on heart disease geared towards woman and it is the number one cause of death for women. We have only just figured out that women have different heart attack symptoms.
How many men handle these specialties? What are the stats? Do men feel uncomfortable if mammograms are performed by women, I know nothing about this topic.
Can men request same gender prison guards if they are uncomfortable? How does this work? Are people complaining? Where are the stats?
It is impossible to tackle every cause ever. Which of these myriad of things you have mentioned have the largest impact on the quality of life for men? Where should resources be prioritized to address?
Yes it is still uncomfortable for men to advocate for themselves given cultural stereotypes, and those who do are often not taken seriously. Maybe this will somehow get better in sync with women's roles being widened, though as 2mares has pointed out, men need to do a better job of advocating for themselves.
On the health issues, men still die sooner than women, so no matter what is done or not done for women, they are still faring better than men.
Most men want women to have women do their mammograms. They'd just like to have a few same gender options for intimate care themselves. Men face a sea of women everywhere they turn in that regard. Again, men need to start speaking up rather than suffering in silence.
On prison guards, there have been several court cases where it was held that female prisoners have a right to same gender strip searches and other intimate encounters but that men do not have the same rights. Again, long term societal norms at play that women's privacy is more important than men's.
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