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Old 01-20-2017, 11:12 PM
 
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In other words, this failed 32 year old actor is busy playing make believe on the backs of California tax payers. He's not elderly, crippled, disabled, or mentally compromised or any of the cases many leftist democrats try to bring up when discussing the expansion of MediCal, he's simply an able bodied healthy man making the decision to NOT work full-time and let California tax payers foot the bill so he can play pretend for 20 hours a week.

Also, Pelosi's comments fit pretty well here.



Yup, just quit your job and shirk all responsibility so you can become an "artist" while taxpayers subsidize your lifestyle!

13.5 million Californians are covered by Medi-Cal. Here's how Trump's plan could cost the state - LA Times
Or maybe the actor is living the life he wants to, instead of working a ****ty full time job. And he's only 32, not 82. Maybe he'll become big one day. At least he has a chance.
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Old 01-20-2017, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by CaliRestoration View Post
In other words, this failed 32 year old actor is busy playing make believe on the backs of California tax payers. He's not elderly, crippled, disabled, or mentally compromised or any of the cases many leftist democrats try to bring up when discussing the expansion of MediCal, he's simply an able bodied healthy man making the decision to NOT work full-time and let California tax payers foot the bill so he can play pretend for 20 hours a week.

Also, Pelosi's comments fit pretty well here.



Yup, just quit your job and shirk all responsibility so you can become an "artist" while taxpayers subsidize your lifestyle!

13.5 million Californians are covered by Medi-Cal. Here's how Trump's plan could cost the state - LA Times
Sounds like you got a real problem. What are your plans to fix it? I'd be interested in hearing your solutions.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:41 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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"A potent mix of politics and policy has drawn the Central Valley into the center of the debate around the future of the Affordable Care Act. It is the region in the state most transformed by the landmark healthcare law. It is also a rare Republican enclave in California, represented in Congress by members of the majority party that will determine the law’s fate — including McCarthy, who, as House majority leader, commands a top post in the GOP."

People from all around California are heading to the Central Valley to defend Obamacare. Here's why - LA Times
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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California, which has expanded Medicaid (known as Medi-Cal in the state) and created its own insurance marketplace through the law, has seen some of the most dramatic insurance gains with the share of uninsured residents dropping by more than half between 2013 and 2016, to 7.1%, data show:

As GOP plows forward on Obamacare repeal, new data show the nation's uninsured rate hit a record low last year - LA Times
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:26 PM
 
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California, which has expanded Medicaid (known as Medi-Cal in the state) and created its own insurance marketplace through the law, has seen some of the most dramatic insurance gains with the share of uninsured residents dropping by more than half between 2013 and 2016, to 7.1%, data show:

As GOP plows forward on Obamacare repeal, new data show the nation's uninsured rate hit a record low last year - LA Times
I read today that the "new" health plan will mean no more federal money for expanded medicaid, if a state wants to foot the whole bill for it they are welcome to, I'm not sure California would be able to manage to pay for it, let alone some of the poorer states so I hope anyone on expanded medicaid gets in to see a doctor while they can. Also, the ACA replacement is HSA's and advance tax credits based on age (not income) to pay for private health insurance plans, Ryan said he didn't want to base the credits on income because doing so creates an incentive for low-income people to avoid earning more money.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:30 AM
 
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It's ironic that many Republicans who claim to be all about helping business fetishize employer based healthcare. They should be all for the exchanges and non-employer based risk pools. That's one less burden that employers have to bear to employ people. Plus it allows for a more dynamic economy by not trapping people in employment to keep insurance. They can move jobs and states easier while still providing coverage for themselves/family.

Probably one of the reasons Western Europe has higher social mobility (the supposed American Dream) than the US at this point.
Yes, this so much, not only higher social mobility but now Europe actually has a higher business startup rate and levels of entrepreneurial activity than the USA, America now has the lowest business start rate in its history! Gallup was first looking at this 2 years ago and while there are many factors- too much debt, high US cost of living, low wages and too little savings- the US health care mess and the burden on individuals, entrepreneurs and small companies for health insurance was the single biggest business-killer. Europeans, Asians and South Americans are a lot freer to strike out on their own and start businesses without worrying about serious medical bills, and this gives them a massive competitive advantage over the USA which is becoming more like a 3rd world country with a corrupt, established aristocracy that throttles innovation.

My husband and I have moved across all 3 of these continents and every year, we see more and more Americans moving here permanently. And the Americans moving to Europe tend to be very skilled professionals and entrepreneurs, and they point out that the freedom they get from not having to worry about the US health care mess is a big boost to business. Even to places like Italy, France and Sweden where the entrepreneurial culture is thriving a lot more than in the USA. This stupid practice of tying health insurance to a traditional job is killing the US golden goose of business dynamism- people can't switch jobs (gap in health insurance is dangerous, can't have kids), can't try their hands at a new business or contract work (health insurance killer expensive). Even those with health insurance go bankrupt from outrageous medical costs in the US. They're much freer to do what they want in Europe and Asia, and this is a big reason that for the first time in its history, the United States is becoming a major victim of brain drain.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:33 AM
 
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Here's a sample link on this topic, this was almost 2 years ago and the newer data are even grimmer about US startup rate, again the failed health insurance system a big factor.
American Entrepreneurship: Dead or Alive? | Gallup
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Yes, this so much, not only higher social mobility but now Europe actually has a higher business startup rate and levels of entrepreneurial activity than the USA, America now has the lowest business start rate in its history! Gallup was first looking at this 2 years ago and while there are many factors- too much debt, high US cost of living, low wages and too little savings- the US health care mess and the burden on individuals, entrepreneurs and small companies for health insurance was the single biggest business-killer. Europeans, Asians and South Americans are a lot freer to strike out on their own and start businesses without worrying about serious medical bills, and this gives them a massive competitive advantage over the USA which is becoming more like a 3rd world country with a corrupt, established aristocracy that throttles innovation.

My husband and I have moved across all 3 of these continents and every year, we see more and more Americans moving here permanently. And the Americans moving to Europe tend to be very skilled professionals and entrepreneurs, and they point out that the freedom they get from not having to worry about the US health care mess is a big boost to business. Even to places like Italy, France and Sweden where the entrepreneurial culture is thriving a lot more than in the USA. This stupid practice of tying health insurance to a traditional job is killing the US golden goose of business dynamism- people can't switch jobs (gap in health insurance is dangerous, can't have kids), can't try their hands at a new business or contract work (health insurance killer expensive). Even those with health insurance go bankrupt from outrageous medical costs in the US. They're much freer to do what they want in Europe and Asia, and this is a big reason that for the first time in its history, the United States is becoming a major victim of brain drain.
Interesting....and makes quite a bit of sense. Thanks for the take.
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:12 AM
 
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Interesting....and makes quite a bit of sense. Thanks for the take.
You're welcome, glad I could provide a little insight. One other neat little factoid, not only is Europe, Asia and South America able to provide universal health care at much lower cost than the USA and thus make it easier for entrepreneurs and innovators to get their businesses started, their taxes are actually around the same as America's, sometimes even lower! That's the usual push-back I get from deluded responses on the US's healthcare mess- "well sure, the Europeans might get fully covered health care but their taxes are much higher!" Nope! The federal income tax alone might be higher, but Americans overall pay a lot higher taxes across the board than Europeans as in the United States we also have local and state taxes, property, license taxes and fees, very high fines for petty infractions (that's a tax, even if they don't call it that) and the business taxes are nasty. In fact, US business (small and large) taxes are a lot higher than anywhere in Europe, even France, Denmark or Sweden, and the US has the highest property taxes in the world. Let's put it this way, in the USA you never actually own your property, you're always renting it from the government thus the annual property tax. In Europe, once you buy your property you do own it free and clear, depending on the location, it's often a one-time property tax and that's it.

If Americans as a whole knew how badly they were getting shafted by their corrupt "leadership" (both parties bought off by special interests) they'd revolt even more angrily than the French Revolutionaries of the 1700's. Americans are actually paying comparatively high taxes but getting nothing for the taxes, it all gets funneled into the palms of big corporate donors to politicians like Aetna or United Healthcare (another reason US health insurance companies are scum) or Goldman Sachs, or to all the wars. While taxes in Europe, Asia, South America go to meet the people's needs, and are usually lower than the US when you tally up the total tax burden.
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:40 AM
 
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The title of this thread is a lie. The LA Times did not say that those programs are failures.

I see nothing wrong with programs that make life better for people who aren't wealthy.
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