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Old 01-22-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
The unemployment U3 number is baloney.
How about we use the same measures for everyone.

 
Old 01-22-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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They are the metrics typically used to judge how well things are going with any given admin.
I get that people "typically use them" but that certainly doesn't make them right for doing so. Gas prices? I mean come on. Like I said, most of this is garbage. If anything the active POTUS has a marginal impact on some of these.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I get that people "typically use them" but that certainly doesn't make them right for doing so. Gas prices? I mean come on. Like I said, most of this is garbage. If anything the active POTUS has a marginal impact on some of these.
It didn't sound like it in the past 8 years. Participation in this thread is voluntary. It sounds like your post is a pre-emptive defense against bad news. Things can get better before they get worse, or maybe they won't get worse at all. Personally I think the policies Trump has proposed will trigger a recession, but I could be wrong.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Let's some other measures

As of 1/20/2017

Unemployment 4.7%
Dow 19,820
NASDAQ 5560
Gas $2.30
30 yr Fixed: 4.125%
Last GDP 3.5%
Debt: $19.9
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:13 AM
 
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You can't use Obama-math to pull your stats. The actual unemployment rate is around 11%.
The DOW changes from time time. Companies are removed and others are added to that index.
FOX news math is more reliable?
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Basic stats to keep track of Trump progress:

As of 1/20/2017

Unemployment 4.7%
Dow 19,820
NASDAQ 5560
Gas $2.30
Unemployment is artificially lowered by Barrack. Trump will increase the stat due to correcting for under reporting. Using shadowstats unemployment is 22-23% of so throughout the Obama administration.

As to commodities, sure, as to stock exchange, track Obama from the day before the election. Trump was very active garnering investment and businesses responded.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
How about we use the same measures for everyone.
That's fine... the U3 number is baloney regardless of who is in office. You have people drop out of the employment criteria if they have been unemployed longer than the specified time frame. They are still unemployed looking for work... but we don't compute those people into the U3 number.

Since I have not done it in a while, I will run my numbers that I have back to 2000 - which was the high water mark for employment. I take into account both the workforce and the total population 16 and up - which allows people to see the shell game with the U3 number. I will try to remember to do this later today.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Basic stats to keep track of Trump progress:

As of 1/20/2017

Unemployment 4.7%
Dow 19,820
NASDAQ 5560
Gas $2.30
So his stats start counting at day 1? Funny, Bush was still being blamed for Obama's stats 8 years later.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Unemployment is artificially lowered by Barrack. Trump will increase the stat due to correcting for under reporting. Using shadowstats unemployment is 22-23% of so throughout the Obama administration.
I guess that remains to be seen.

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As to commodities, sure, as to stock exchange, track Obama from the day before the election. Trump was very active garnering investment and businesses responded.
We track Obama from Jan 20, 2009, and we will track Trump the same way.

As is turns out, businesses blew smoke up Trumps butt by re-cycling old news about bringing jobs back to US. That was the response from the business community after Trump begun to target certain companies and bringing their stock prices down.
 
Old 01-23-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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Why not measure things that the POTUS actually does, like start/end wars, authorized drone strikes to kill terrorists (both legally and American citizens not given due process),constitutional rights violated, campaign promises kept/ignored?
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