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Old 01-27-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: CT
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Our biggest challenge is going to be dealing with the period between when there aren't jobs for most people and when people don't need jobs.
I think we're already on the precipice, that's why people are toying with the idea of Universal Basic Income.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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Our biggest challenge is going to be dealing with the period between when there aren't jobs for most people and when people don't need jobs.
How can we not need jobs? We will need a zombie apocalypse cleansing first.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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No, it's a dead end and even if some manufacturing jobs are brought back, it's an industry that the US simply cannot compete in anymore in many industries.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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So you have to go to trade school to work in these jobs? I already spent enough time in school getting my bachelors and then furthering my education through certifications. Maybe if someone foots the bill for trade school for manufacturing(??? I have never even heard of such a thing) then people would consider pursuing it. School is a risky thing these days that rarely pays off the way people anticipate it to. Especially in the world we have lived in for decades where manufacturing has been a dying industry. You expect kids to go to school for something that vanishes more and more each year?

I bet a kid would take an entry level job at a factory. If they are taking jobs at fast food establishments they will I'm sure gladly work in an entry level factory roll (assuming these entry level jobs do exist as you say). If they have to go to go to school and in debt to get their foot in the door then that is asking a lot because manufacturing is still a dying industry.

In this country, due to things like NAFTA and TPP. How do you think middle classes are emerging in the countries we are sending work to ? Manufacturing, Engineering , Design...etc all are propping up economies in other countries.


Don't by the hype that automation is killing manufacturing. Automation is a huge part of manufacturing but the majority of the jobs that were wiped out by it were done 30 years go.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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I can never see a job like say an Electrican or a Machinist, or a tool and die maker getting assulted by technology. I would recommend to kids if a four year college isn't their thing to go to their union hall and take the apprenticeship test and get paid to learn.
Machinist jobs have been under assault for a couple of decades from CNC machines.

I also remember when we had an electrician doing punch downs on a telephone circuit board. Now, a person with four hours of training can go into Cisco Call Manager and swap phone extensions in a minute. I remember when electricians ran network cables.

Sure, they are still in demand, but the demand is on the decline.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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Recently had a discussion with someone regarding if manufacturing jobs did come back to the country. That the current millennial generation would not want to work in a factory type setting no matter what the pay.

Though I have to admit in my younger years when i worked in a factory---I hated it. It was dirty, smelly, boring, just a total depressing job especially when working in an assembly line!
They might if they can do the job and be on their cellphones at the same time.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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How can we not need jobs? We will need a zombie apocalypse cleansing first.
Technology and modular construction.

There will always be some jobs, but eventually technology will remove the need for the vast majority of people working. Unfortunately, the path takes us through societal uphevel that will be accompanied by war, riots, etc.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Machinist jobs have been under assault for a couple of decades from CNC machines.

I also remember when we had an electrician doing punch downs on a telephone circuit board. Now, a person with four hours of training ca. Go into Cisco Call Manager and swap phone extensions in a minute. I remember when electricians ran network cables.

Sure, they are still in demand, but the demand is on the decline.
Machinist jobs are booming right now, we don't have enough people to fill the demand. People need to fix the machines, until machines can self fix itself, we will need machinists. When the computer breaks down on a machine the machinst comes in, reprograms the computer, fixes whatever on the machine, as of now a machine cannot fix itself, people have to be in factories to fix the machines.

Electricans will ALWAYS be in demand as long as we have Electricity. Industries will be forever changing but we will always need young people in these jobs.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Yes,if the jobs paid $30/hr.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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Machinist jobs are booming right now, we don't have enough people to fill the demand. People need to fix the machines, until machines can self fix itself, we will need machinists. When the computer breaks down on a machine the machinst comes in, reprograms the computer, fixes whatever on the machine, as of now a machine cannot fix itself, people have to be in factories to fix the machines.

Electricans will ALWAYS be in demand as long as we have Electricity. Industries will be forever changing but we will always need young people in these jobs.
You are using a different definition of a machinist than what is traditionally used. A machinist in every manufacturing industry I've been in makes parts, mostly in metal, not repair machines. They will set up the machine, in most cases, with the right tools and gigs before machining the parts, but they traditionally do not repair machines. Have you ever been in manufacturing?

Technology has taken away electrician tasks, that is just a fact.
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