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Old 01-27-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Considering that Obama was saddled with a worthless obstructionist Tea Party / Republican Congress for 6 out of 8 years, it is grossly hypocritical to complain that he "didn't get things done."
He didn't even like to associate with lawmakers from his own party.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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"Considering that Obama was saddled with a worthless obstructionist Tea Party / Republican Congress for 6 out of 8 years, it is grossly hypocritical to complain that he "didn't get things done."

What I find most hypocritical is that some complain he "didn't get things done" but they didn't want the things he wanted to "get done". So, they're complaining he didn't succeed in doing the things they didn't want done in the first place!
Remember, according to right-wing doublethink, government is "evil" and "should be gotten rid of" until it is used to bludgeon the heck out of various minorities you don't like. Then, all of a sudden, government is wonderful and should be allowed to do whatever it wants with no checks or balances, such as we see in Trump's crazy-land executive orders. Again, just more right-wing hypocrisy.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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He didn't even like to associate with lawmakers from his own party.
Well, honestly I can't really blame him on that. As much as I despise the bigotry, ignorance, and violence that represents modern right-wing views, career politicians of all stripes and parties are pains in the neck to deal with over any length of time.

That being said, the reality is that the far-right basically sat around and did nothing useful for the 6 years that they controlled the show in Congress with Obama as president. When they blather on about "government waste," instead of talking about cutting medical benefits for the poor, they should give back their salaries and get the hell out of DC. Worthless, overpaid bums that they are, the far-right, as usual, manages to top off their ignorance of the "uselessness of government" with hypocrisy since the only reason government is "useless" is because they haven't done anything useful in years, if not decades, to help the American people. And, no - I don't count bigot-bans on immigrants from specific nations or starting trade wars as "useful" to the American people.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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Trump treats the job as a CEO / Businessman and very few can keep up his pace. Obama treated it like a spoiled Politician (which not a bad thing for the US) who worked 9-5. Obama was clueless in how to get things done. They don't teach that in college.

Hopefully Trump takes some time this weekend to rest so he can do it all again next week.
I think that most career politicians (republicans and democrats) are clueless in how to get things done. They have accepted that things are they way they are and there is nothing they can do to change it.

Case in point, Obama said there was nothing he could do to save Carrier jobs. Trump, however, picked up a phone and was able to save a little less than half of the Carrier jobs that were to be lost. But better than none.

A child asks her mother why she cuts the ends off the pot roast. The mother replies, "”That’s just the way we’ve always done it. My mother taught me to do it that way". On their next visit to her grandmother, the child asks her grandmother why she cut the ends off the pot roast. The grandmother replies, ”That’s just the way we’ve always done it. My mother taught me to do it that way". The next time the child visits her great-grandmother, she ask her why she cut the ends off the pot roast. The great-grandmother replied, "Because the pan was too small for the pot roast".

It's a perfect illustration of establishment group-think. "We do things because that's the we always do things".

Critical thinking not required.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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The title of this thread enough is the problem with people.

One week. For a four year term, everyone is already either jumping on the Trump bandwagon or get the him impeached train before we've seen anything other then a lot of pen work and Trump speak. And truth is, in four years we won't necessarily know the good or bad of what he's done because many actions filter through our lives over time, much longer than one term of a presidency.

No American President has ever toppled our democracy. We still have the house and the senate. The President has many road blocks to push legislation out, and then who knows what happens at the state level. And forget the fact the Republicans are in control. It wouldn't matter if the Democrat were in control. Trump is neither, and if you wanted to tag him, he's an Independent, Democratic by heart, Republican by presidential vote, and probably the most anti-politician to ever sit in the White House.

If you want to talk in short term and absolutes, why not the Super Bowl. There will be a game next week, 60 minutes, and a winner, and then it's all done.
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