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Old 01-28-2017, 05:41 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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This is an over simplification.

I believe in the power of markets as much as the next guy. But the internet you're using right now, which has created tremendous wealth , wouldn't exist without the public sector that devised it, designed it, and built it. Ditto for GPS, LED's, solar panels, bar code scanners, the interstate highway system, etc. etc.

An entity like the EPA does not create wealth, but it does help facilitate the wealth creation by the rest of society. The general rule is that it is far cheaper to prevent environmental problems than it is to try and bear the cost of a disaster, and attempting to fix it after it occurs.
I think a review of all the departments is in order. Our Fed is top heavy with redundancies and bureaucracy. Look not further than our overly complicated tax system. How many federal police agencies do we need? I think there is a lot of fat that can be cut out of the Fed without impacting performance. No private sector business could ever function and remain viable under such conditions.
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Old 01-28-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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Good for him !
100 % of federal employees salaries go straight to the federal deficit , and they contribute Zero to the country's GDP.

The EPA Costs American's 10's of thousands of jobs, and costs corporation billions.
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Old 01-28-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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Number of lives saved by U.S. Clean Air Act continues to grow: Opponents trying to repeal protections
The Clean Air Act alone is on track to generate $2 trillion in direct economic benefits. You know premature death and chronic health problems are a massive drain on the economy and many of them have been prevented by the EPA.
There would be no private sector if the government didn't create or provide currency, highways, public water works, firefighting to protect property, etc.
Is it your position the Clean Air Act will be gutted too? If so, then you don't have an argument.
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Old 01-28-2017, 05:53 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Is it your position the Clean Air Act will be gutted too? If so, then you don't have an argument.
"cuts would likely fall on the remaining half the agency's budget, which pays for agency operations and environmental enforcement"


Trump to Slash the EPA's Workforce and Budget: Official | Time.com


He wants to gut the part of the EPA that carries out the clean air act (and clean water act and so forth). With no resources for enforcing it, it's just a piece of paper that provides no protection.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:04 AM
 
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He wants to gut the part of the EPA that carries out the clean air act (and clean water act and so forth). With no resources for enforcing it, it's just a piece of paper that provides no protection.
That hasn't been said. Are you simply making assumption?
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:06 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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That hasn't been said. Are you simply making assumption?

"cuts would likely fall on the remaining half the agency's budget, which pays for agency operations and environmental enforcement"


Trump to Slash the EPA's Workforce and Budget: Official | Time.com
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:08 AM
 
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If this comes to pass, it will be quite a change for the EPA.

Trump plans to cut EPA staff in half | Washington Examiner
So much for giving people jobs. he just wants to take them away.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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"cuts would likely fall on the remaining half the agency's budget, which pays for agency operations and environmental enforcement"
You are quoting an opinion from the largely discredited Time magazine. So in other words you don't have an argument.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:21 AM
 
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So much for giving people jobs. he just wants to take them away.
Trump never said he would give people taxpayer paid for jobs. That was what Obama did.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:25 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You are quoting an opinion from the largely discredited Time magazine. So in other words you don't have an argument.

Myron Ebell said that. Head of Trump's transition team. If you want to ignore plain obvious facts that's up to you. Attacking the source instead of proving the source wrong is a logical fallacy and discredits you. Everyone who reports information that is damaging to Trump is not "discredited."
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