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Old 01-28-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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Myron Ebell said that. Head of Trump's transition team. If you want to ignore plain obvious facts that's up to you. Attacking the source instead of proving the source wrong is a logical fallacy and discredits you. Everyone who reports information that is damaging to Trump is not "discredited."
He did not say the Clean Air Act would be gutted. That is your argument.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:42 AM
 
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He did not say the Clean Air Act would be gutted. That is your argument.
But enforcement will. And that is part of rolling back big government. Remember, big government is the problem. We should all be happy that corporations and individuals are getting more freedom to do as they want. Just like in the third world. More freedom, less government.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:54 AM
 
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But enforcement will. And that is part of rolling back big government. Remember, big government is the problem. We should all be happy that corporations and individuals are getting more freedom to do as they want. Just like in the third world. More freedom, less government.
No proof of this either.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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But enforcement will. And that is part of rolling back big government. Remember, big government is the problem. We should all be happy that corporations and individuals are getting more freedom to do as they want. Just like in the third world. More freedom, less government.
Do you actually think company's will start dumping chemicals in the river of shutoff emission controls in a Power plant? There are so many rules and other organizations to police those rules that the EPA doesn't need an enforcement wing.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:13 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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He did not say the Clean Air Act would be gutted. That is your argument.

Are you seriously going to argue that with no enforcement capability the clean air act will still be there to stop pollution? Pruitt sued the EPA repeatedly to stop enforcement of the clean air act and clean water act. What do you expect him to do if he heads the agency?


A post above it was clear you hadn't even read a word of that article to see it was a part of Trump's team saying this stuff and that it wasn't an opinion piece by Time.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Do you actually think company's will start dumping chemicals in the river of shutoff emission controls in a Power plant? There are so many rules and other organizations to police those rules that the EPA doesn't need an enforcement wing.

Yes. Proven time and time again they will.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Yes. Proven time and time again they will.
Speaking from real world experience, industry has a better chance of getting gigged by OSHA than EPA.
Once they issue a Operating permit EPA takes a vacation.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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The day that most of Kansas will completely drain the Ogallala aquifer is rapidly approaching. Enjoy the desertification of most of your "irrigated agricultural lands" and the huge out-migration of people out of what is left of many rural areas due to corporate agriculture greed. It might cost actual homeowners $20-40K to drill a new deeper well, but factual realities and costs are externalized to individuals who are less able to foot the bill.
Don't bother asking a die-hard trumpling to think ahead of tomorrow.....too many synapses!!!
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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If this comes to pass, it will be quite a change for the EPA.

Trump plans to cut EPA staff in half | Washington Examiner
I can't believe one federal agency needs 15,000 employees!
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"cuts would likely fall on the remaining half the agency's budget, which pays for agency operations and environmental enforcement"


Trump to Slash the EPA's Workforce and Budget: Official | Time.com

Unbolding your stressed part of that comment and bolding another part.
Do you see the word WILL rather than "would likely'?
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