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Old 03-09-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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i thought it was virtually impossible to fire federal employees, even the ones that watch porn all day on their govt. computers?
They would not be fired, just laid off, there is a difference.

And it is not impossible to fire federal employees, it is just that the unions and inept management in the past have made it such a byzantine process (by design of course), it is very difficult for a manager to figure it out and commit the time needed to see it all the way through. This is how the unions really protect the inept, by creating a ridiculous system that acts as a barrier to terminating and hell, even disciplining employees.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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They are getting rid of that "seniority" thing now and the RIF placements, at least where I am, are done on performance ratings.
They changed the procedures? If you are part of a union I doubt that will occur.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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They would not be fired, just laid off, there is a difference.

And it is not impossible to fire federal employees, it is just that the unions and inept management in the past have made it such a byzantine process (by design of course), it is very difficult for a manager to figure it out and commit the time needed to see it all the way through. This is how the unions really protect the inept, by creating a ridiculous system that acts as a barrier to terminating and hell, even disciplining employees.
Not all government employees are covered/protected by a union. But there are protections and prohibited practices that are applied to federal employment and part of US code. When any employee is considered for firing, a lengthy documentation process must follow to ensure that none of the 11 prohibited practices were done and that an employer/supervisor did not commit any wrongdoing on their part.

I know that there have been sensational type articles about civil servants viewing porn and getting away with it. Not sure how that happens. In my experience where I work, that kind of behavior is easily fireable.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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They changed the procedures? If you are part of a union I doubt that will occur.
No, I'm not in a union and I know very few federal workers who are.
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Old 03-09-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So, tRump has eliminated many thousands more jobs than he's "created."

Very amusing!

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Old 03-09-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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So, tRump has eliminated many thousands more jobs than he's "created.'
It's called draining the swamp, dear.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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As long as the government funds 75% of the Land and Water Act, prevents eminent domain of National Parks, protects endangered species habitats, continues emission regulations, works to limit use of carcinogenic chemicals in manufacturing/process plants, end energy subsides, limit off shore drilling, fund research that works towards finding new energy sources & sustainability, continue to support Clean Air & Water Act, continue to regulate illegal dumping, and no longer allow lobbyist for Energy in Congress.

Also stop funding industrial farms to clean up waste. Let them pay for their own waste clean up and fine appropriately if they don't. Fund smaller farms to assist with clean up of waste by products and help farms create sustainable farms. Support funding for GMOs. Cameras in large industrial livestock farms.
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Old 03-09-2017, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It's called draining the swamp, dear.
Naw, he's adding reptiles.

DTS =/= drain the swamp

DTS = Donald tRump sucks.

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Old 03-09-2017, 09:48 AM
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Location: Long Island, NY
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Naw, he's adding reptiles.

DTS =/= drain the swamp

DTS = Donald tRump sucks.

DTS=Deplorable Trump Supporter, that's us. The deplorables. Sorry, snowflake.
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Old 03-09-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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There is a lot of pages in this thread so if someone already said this, I apologize:

There is a difference between a RIF and a layoff. With a layoff there is some possibility that the employees will be asked to return to work. A RIF (reduction in force) is a permanent cut in the workforce that can be, but doesn't have to be, done through attrition (people leave the government voluntarily like retirement or new job and are not replaced).

My guess is that the administration has a RIF in mind.

If a tremendous amount of regulations are killed, there is a segment of the workforce that administers and enforces those regulations and would no longer be needed.
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