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Old 01-27-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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He wants to fire the employees who enforce the environmental rules preventing pollution. Go a few pages back to the link I posted.
Or maybe he can fire the EPA employees who oversaw totally worthless expenditures, like handing $8,031,829 to the Natl Asian Pacific Center on Aging.

Because, you know, that really helped the environment, right?

Wake up.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Remember when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire? Good times. That was pre-EPA. Looks like we're headed back to those days.
The EPA was commissioned to enforce laws that congress passed. It did that and would continue to do that.

But it overextended itself when it began to supplement laws with its own rules, which are not subject to congress's approval.

Congress saved lives, not EPA.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Or maybe he can fire the EPA employees who oversaw totally worthless expenditures, like handing $8,031,829 to the Natl Asian Pacific Center on Aging.

Because, you know, that really helped the environment, right?

Wake up.
The only part he wants to keep is the part that hands out those grants you described.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Let's hope it's not quite a change for air & water quality among other things.
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To hell with safe drinking water standards and enforcement, nuclear waste water disposal regulations, stopping toxic waste dumping, safe working environments, and clean air. Who needs it?
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Hooray, bring on the black lung and poisoned water

(Sarcasm)
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In other words, gut the part of the EPA which protects our health from polluting industry.
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Flint all over America
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Remember when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire? Good times. That was pre-EPA. Looks like we're headed back to those days.
Are you people saying your State EPA offices are incompetent, or what?

How is it even possible for a Blue State to have an incompetent EPA office?


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If they're as competent as libs think EPA officials are, the vast majority of them will find work in the private sector.
Damn, good point.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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Such glee about people losing their jobs. Don't their kids have to eat, too?
Yea , but I should not have to pay for it .
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The EPA was commissioned to enforce laws that congress passed. It did that and would continue to do that.

But it overextended itself when it began to supplement laws with its own rules, which are not subject to congress's approval.

Congress saved lives, not EPA.
You really should educate yourself on how our government works.

Congress passes a law with a broad framework and goals. It leaves it up to an agency to pass regulations to achieve those goals. Every agency has regulations to carry out its mission.

Here's the code of federal regulations so you can read all of them yourself:


eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You're confusing the Endangered Species Act which the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service enforces with the Clean Water Act which the EPA enforces.
Good example.

Congress passed a perfectly good bill. Clean Water Act.

Then the EPA took that bill and added its own interpretations and caveats and rules, and the next thing we know we have impossible "standards" that congress never intended along with a virtual police force to enforce that police force's own rules.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Are you people saying your State EPA offices are incompetent, or what?

How is it even possible for a Blue State to have an incompetent EPA office?
Duh, don't you know that only federal EPA workers are effective at their job? I mean, monolithic agencies work well, just as mainframes worked so well by centralizing all computing resources into one machine.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Are you people saying your State EPA offices are incompetent, or what?

How is it even possible for a Blue State to have an incompetent EPA office?




Damn, good point.
Vermont has a good and effective ANR but I can assure you West Virginia doesn't, nor Oklahoma, Texas and many, many other states where business interests come ahead of the people and the environment. The reason the EPA was created is because the states failed. The EPA normally steps in when the states fail. Like this example which Trump's nominee tried to stop: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.8fc5cf86247a
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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You're confusing the Endangered Species Act which the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service enforces with the Clean Water Act which the EPA enforces.
Drought-hit farmers in California won't get federal water - CBS News


EPA Grants Itself Power To Regulate Ponds, Ditches, Puddles | The Daily Caller


EPA classifies milk as oil, forcing costly rules on farmers | MLive.com


I stand corrected as far as the spider goes, but the EPA denied irrigation water to farmers as well as deciding it needs to regulate puddles and spilled milk.
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