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Old 01-30-2017, 11:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post

Haha this isnt really a response.

The IRS still has a protocol to follow.

Good luck going after 40 million people.
Oh, they'll follow the protocol.

With about 40,000 recalcitrant taxpayers. Maybe even fewer; they don't need to actually go after 40 million, obviously. That's why they have all those boom-sticks at their disposal that you aren't allowed to have.

They pull up to a house in Sergey Brin's neighborhood (after due process, of course), with a SWAT team, guys in body armor with Uzis jump out with their K-9 units, and commence to hauling one of Sergey's neighbor's stuff out of the house, dumping it on the street and seizing his $45 million abode for back taxes.

Sergey sees this, and becomes very, very compliant, indeed. Sergey's writing a check before the SWAT team leaves, you may rest assured. "Can I get you some tofu scones and some black currant-flavored tea, Mr. Revenue Agent?" Sergey asks.

Lather, rinse, repeat with Mark Zuckerberg (who offers to shine the revenue agents' shoes while Mrs. Zuckerberg gets her checkbook) and any other convenient high-value targets who happen to be on the radar. Once they stop at Madonna's place, she offers oral favors to the agents, which nobody is interested in. "Just write the check, ma'am," the disgusted revenue agent says. He walks away with the check, while Madonna is left crumpled on the ground, sniveling about how she "...thought they couldn't come for all 40 million of us! What the hell happened here?"

Toss one of the neighbors' stuff around, place yellow "TAX SEIZURE" tape across the front door, seize their assets and watch the taxes, penalties and interest pour into federal coffers like the proverbial torrent. Just one such raid has more enforcement value than one million past due notices, and the raids cost less also.

This little tax revolt can be crushed in a matter of 30 days, probably less, all through the power of intimidation, something for which the IRS has demonstrated quite the aptitude when they choose to exercise it.

It all ends not with a bang, but with the whimpers of formerly braying, chest-thumping would-be tax protestors who didn't realize that the IRS holds ALL the cards, and isn't afraid to play any of them.

 
Old 01-31-2017, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Oh, they'll follow the protocol.

With about 40,000 recalcitrant taxpayers. Maybe even fewer; they don't need to actually go after 40 million, obviously. That's why they have all those boom-sticks at their disposal that you aren't allowed to have.

They pull up to a house in Sergey Brin's neighborhood (after due process, of course), with a SWAT team, guys in body armor with Uzis jump out with their K-9 units, and commence to hauling one of Sergey's neighbor's stuff out of the house, dumping it on the street and seizing his $45 million abode for back taxes.

Sergey sees this, and becomes very, very compliant, indeed. Sergey's writing a check before the SWAT team leaves, you may rest assured. "Can I get you some tofu scones and some black currant-flavored tea, Mr. Revenue Agent?" Sergey asks.

Lather, rinse, repeat with Mark Zuckerberg (who offers to shine the revenue agents' shoes while Mrs. Zuckerberg gets her checkbook) and any other convenient high-value targets who happen to be on the radar. Once they stop at Madonna's place, she offers oral favors to the agents, which nobody is interested in. "Just write the check, ma'am," the disgusted revenue agent says. He walks away with the check, while Madonna is left crumpled on the ground, sniveling about how she "...thought they couldn't come for all 40 million of us! What the hell happened here?"

Toss one of the neighbors' stuff around, place yellow "TAX SEIZURE" tape across the front door, seize their assets and watch the taxes, penalties and interest pour into federal coffers like the proverbial torrent. Just one such raid has more enforcement value than one million past due notices, and the raids cost less also.

This little tax revolt can be crushed in a matter of 30 days, probably less, all through the power of intimidation, something for which the IRS has demonstrated quite the aptitude when they choose to exercise it.

It all ends not with a bang, but with the whimpers of formerly braying, chest-thumping would-be tax protestors who didn't realize that the IRS holds ALL the cards, and isn't afraid to play any of them.
Hahaha nope.

If the state intercepts federal remittances and holds the money in trust, the IRS will have to roll up to the state capitol building where legislators and the governor will REFUSE to comply.

Then what?

LOL
 
Old 01-31-2017, 01:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
Instead of Aiding & Abetting, this law is much more applicable:

8 U.S. Code 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens



Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.


Penalties -- The basic statutory maximum penalty for violating 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(1)(i) and (v)(I) (alien smuggling and conspiracy) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both. With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. In addition, significant enhanced penalties are provided for in violations of 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(1) involving serious bodily injury or placing life in jeopardy. Moreover, if the violation results in the death of any person, the defendant may be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years. The basic penalty for a violation of subsection 1324(a)(2) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(2)(A). Enhanced penalties are provided for violations involving bringing in criminal aliens, 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(2)(B)(i), offenses done for commercial advantage or private financial gain, 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(2)(B)(ii), and violations where the alien is not presented to an immigration officer immediately upon arrival, 8 U.S.C. 1324(a)(2)(B)(iii). A mandatory minimum three year term of imprisonment applies to first or second violations of 1324(a)(2)(B)(i) or (B)(ii). Further enhanced punishment is provided for third or subsequent offenses.


https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses
This has been covered many times. The courts have ruled that states can not make this determination. Actually, didn't we just cover this? If a state can not make this determination, then they can not knowingly do anything.

We had a person busted here locally. He ran a Mexican restaurant. He was bringing people in from Mexico (not through the proper channels) putting them to work until they found a place to move to. He's still in prison. Someone else owns his house and cars which were sold off at auction. That is what this law covers.

I fully support that.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 01:48 AM
 
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Unless your side tries terrorism; you DON'T have any weapons. Period.

Word is most cops are waiting for the word to start arresting ANY known illegal alien AND those people who shelter their kind.
Word is.....lol. The voices in your head don't account for much.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 05:51 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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This has been covered many times. The courts have ruled that states can not make this determination. Actually, didn't we just cover this? If a state can not make this determination, then they can not knowingly do anything.

We had a person busted here locally. He ran a Mexican restaurant. He was bringing people in from Mexico (not through the proper channels) putting them to work until they found a place to move to. He's still in prison. Someone else owns his house and cars which were sold off at auction. That is what this law covers.

I fully support that.
I'm wondering when/if Sedition will be raised if people start getting too far out of hand...
 
Old 01-31-2017, 06:25 AM
 
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I'm wondering when/if Sedition will be raised if people start getting too far out of hand...
I've been rooting for it.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Hahaha nope.

If the state intercepts federal remittances and holds the money in trust, the IRS will have to roll up to the state capitol building where legislators and the governor will REFUSE to comply.

Then what?

LOL
Then the IRS opens fire on your Socialist Capital Building.


Now what?
 
Old 01-31-2017, 07:11 AM
 
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I still don't see how the state can withhold revenue from the US government. If people and businesses mail in the payments and the state intercepts them (how, I have no idea) it would be tampering with the US mail. If they pay by electronic transfers and the state interferes (again, I have no idea how), that would be wire fraud or something.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post

Hahaha nope.

If the state intercepts federal remittances and holds the money in trust, the IRS will have to roll up to the state capitol building where legislators and the governor will REFUSE to comply.

Then what?

LOL
Oh, come on. If you're going to give a flip answer, at least put some thought into it.

If your federal tax payments are late/delinquent/absent, the responsibility is yours. Nobody else's.

This ludicrous excuse of "The California State Assembly has my federal tax payment" isn't going to work for one second. The IRS will seize your bank account to the extent that may be needed to bring your account current, then let you settle up with the jacklegs in Sacramento, on your own, without their assistance.

The IRS will see to it that you pay. Of that you may rest assured.

They hold ALL the cards.

They will win.

































By the way...with all this astounding personal ignorance you have displayed regarding IRS powers and procedures (and quite frankly, it's gotta be some kind of world record all on its own), you have yet to plausibly explain why you claim "40 million" allies in this misbegotten anti-tax beef with the feds. To be honest, I haven't noticed anybody else from California volunteering to put themselves in the line of fire for this strange, misguided cause that apparently only you (and 40,000,000 compatriots who exist only in your ill-informed imagination) share.

Suffice it to say that there are probably some citizens of California (like about 39,999,999 of them) who would just as soon stay as far from the type of financial folly you are recommending as possible. They are also probably wondering why you have volunteered them for this financial suicide mission, and why you feel obligated to include them in a course of action that is certain to be deleterious for all concerned.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Oh, come on. If you're going to give a flip answer, at least put some thought into it.

If your federal tax payments are late/delinquent/absent, the responsibility is yours. Nobody else's.

This ludicrous excuse of "The California State Assembly has my federal tax payment" isn't going to work for one second. The IRS will seize your bank account to the extent that may be needed to bring your account current, then let you settle up with the jacklegs in Sacramento, on your own, without their assistance.

The IRS will see to it that you pay. Of that you may rest assured.

They hold ALL the cards.

They will win.

By the way...with all this astounding personal ignorance you have displayed regarding IRS powers and procedures (and quite frankly, it's gotta be some kind of world record all on its own), you have yet to plausibly explain why you claim "40 million" allies in this misbegotten anti-tax beef with the feds. To be honest, I haven't noticed anybody else from California volunteering to put themselves in the line of fire for this strange, misguided cause that apparently only you (and 40,000,000 compatriots who exist only in your ill-informed imagination) share.

Suffice it to say that there are probably some citizens of California (like about 39,999,999 of them) who would just as soon stay as far from the type of financial folly you are recommending as possible. They are also probably wondering why you have volunteered them for this financial suicide mission, and why you feel obligated to include them in a course of action that is certain to be deleterious for all concerned.
LOL, kind of reminds me of those morons who claimed that they didn't have to pay taxes because the law said something about it being a "temporary tax" and unconstitutional.
I think some are still in jail...
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