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Old 01-27-2017, 11:22 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't think California will be able to stop people from paying their federal taxes.

 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:23 PM
 
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It's racist for 1 to bully the undocumented. Aren't you embarrassed to be American? We steal from everyone. We take, take.

He will not Divide us. We need to protect the undocumented and stop racist Trump.
An illegal (undocumented) is not a race. It is not a protected class.

There is a process in which to enter the country legally. My wife did it, I have friends that did it, I have other family members that did it.

However, many people feel these immigration laws do not apply to them, they think they are special and the laws are for others, so they cross into the US illegally or over stay their visa.

So, what makes them so special? Because they refused to comply with immigration and entry laws?
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:27 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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An illegal (undocumented) is not a race. It is not a protected class.

There is a process in which to enter the country legally. My wife did it, I have friends that did it, I have other family members that did it.

However, many people feel these immigration laws do not apply to them, they think they are special and the laws are for others, so they cross into the US illegally or over stay their visa.

So, what makes them so special? Because they refused to comply with immigration and entry laws?
This country belongs to the world. Give us your tired, your poor. We'll give back our racist cops. Love trumps hate.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:31 PM
 
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That's the wrong equation. The government can do whatever it wants with stuff that's tangible. Once you involve people, now it's a different story.

Want an equilvalent argument? Return back to 2009 when Obama took office with a Democratic controlled Senate and House.
Abortion has been legal for more than 40 years now, but for every single state that has made it illegal, or any attempt to make it harder for a woman to get an abortion, they get cut from federal funding. Fair?
No, once it involves people it is not a different story. Seat belt laws and speed limits involve people.

Your scenario would depend if abortion would fall under something like the interstate commerce clause. However, there is no federal abortion law, but a court ruling that specifically states that states can provide restrictions. Those restrictions of course are debated, but the state and federal courts so far have handled the issue. If in fact a state made abortion illegal, that would violate a court ruling, and there is a potential for money to be withheld as part of the feds strategy.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:31 PM
 
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It's racist to bully the undocumented. Aren't you embarrassed to be American? We steal from everyone. We take, take.

He will not Divide us. We need to protect the undocumented and stop racist Trump.

We can not put Americans first.
Apparently we pay, pay.

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He will not Divide us. We need to protect the undocumented and stop racist Trump.
No, we do not.

Come to this country legally.

Not a hard concept to understand.

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We can not put Americans first.
Are you for REAL? Oh yes we can, when we live in the US & are LEGAL resident of.

Sounds like either you are an illegal alien /have illegal alien family members living in the US.

Which is it?
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:32 PM
 
Location: London
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This country belongs to the world. Give us your tired, your poor. We'll give back our racist cops. Love trumps hate.
If a billion people flock over to the US, everyone here will end up tired and poor.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:33 PM
 
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This country belongs to the world. Give us your tired, your poor. We'll give back our racist cops. Love trumps hate.
No, the country does not belong to the world. There is no provision I am aware of that states anyone who wants to come to the US can, without any papers, documents, or permission needed. I also do not see a provision where our Constitution extends beyond the borders, or that other governments have free and unrestricted access to control the affairs within the US borders. I also see borders, which defines the jurisdiction of the US.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:35 PM
 
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You mean this type of country with an arrogant attitude? No thanks, time to own up to the truth and admit that we're not the best and we actually suck at most things. Start first with openness and not blaming others for your problems.
If the US was such a bad place, then why are so many people trying to get here, including risking their life? We suck at most things? Yet we are the number one destination for all forms of immigration?
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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If the US was such a bad place, then why are so many people trying to get here, including risking their life? We suck at most things? Yet we are the number one destination for all forms of immigration?
As with so many people trying to go to many countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea... where those people are coming from economically and socially depressed countries. What's your point? You think everyone just wants to be in the USA? Everyone on the outside knows the US to be an arrogant country thinking they're the best at everything, just go do some traveling and ask fellow citizens of other countries, you'd be surprised.
 
Old 01-27-2017, 11:44 PM
 
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As with so many people trying to go to many countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea... where those people are coming from economically and socially depressed countries. What's your point? You think everyone just wants to be in the USA? Everyone on the outside knows the US to be an arrogant country thinking they're the best at everything, just go do some traveling and ask fellow citizens of other countries, you'd be surprised.
Japan barely even lets in legal immigrants..why should we let in illegal immigrants? Also how many should we let in?

Let's get a number here and then we'll go from there.

The libbies won't take any of them in that's for sure nor do they want any of them living near them. They live on streets that are all white and probably haven't even seen most of Los Angeles.
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