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Old 01-29-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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No that isn't all that can be done. One can learn from their mistakes and those who do not support Trump are not doing that.
We'll have to disagree on that. Trump is effectively opening a whole new can of worms.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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For heaven's sake, it's incredibly difficult for someone to immigrate to this country. We do not now, nor have we ever within my lifetime, let 'everyone and anyone' in. That is a ridiculously untrue statement.

And the problem isn't simply that our country wants to let fewer immigrants in. If that were the case we'd have a point for discussion and could move on from there. It's that this change is blatantly discriminatory, reneges on promises we've made to people who have followed all of the rules for coming here legally, throws the lives of those people needlessly into chaos, and causes the entire world to question our word.
Correct.

When you bar Legal Permanent Residents from their homes you are going back on America's word to these people.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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We'll have to disagree on that. Trump is merely opening a whole new can of worms.
Which he was able to do because hypocrisy and name calling was the only defense used against him.

That really hasn't changed much.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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He might want to rethink the guns laws in this country in that case.
You need to start a new thread, if this is what concerns you, rather than hijacking this one. Thank you.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Not really. The targeted groups and countries seldom have Jews. They are mostly Muslims and Arabs. Technically, Trump is anti-semitic.
But many people already here from those countries are jews and christians, or even atheists, as well as dissident muslims. That's because they are fleeing an oppressive government. The people Trump targets with this EO already have visas or green cards.

I actually don't think Trump is capable of distinguishing the nuances of who belongs to which religion or ethnic group. I think he just doesn't like "them", no matter who "them" is at any given point.

Like Trump, I am the descendant of german immigrants. German immigrants have been "them" more than once in this country's history. You'd think he would have learned what's wrong with this. I'm not the first person to observe that he doesn't seem all that smart.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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Which he was able to do because hypocrisy and name calling was the only defense used against him.

That really hasn't changed much.
That may be so, but moving forward he's not changing anyone who opposed his Presidency's mind with actions like these.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:34 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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We would have fewer asylum seekers if the "left" hadn't allowed Obama to bomb the hell out of the asylum seekers countries.

Turning away people with nothing isn't something to be proud of. Destroying their country for the benefit of Wall Street is certainly no more so.
Like Iraq?
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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We have to start all over again....and that is what is happening....if people cannot understand it's for their own safety then too bad...things are changing, you cannot allow people from all over the world to constantly enter this country...without keeping an eye on them.

They knew this was going to happen, did they think Trump was lying?
No one knew Trump was going to bar Legal Permanent Residents from coming home.
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That may be so, but moving forward he's not changing anyone who opposed his Presidency's mind with actions like these.
So, why are people opposed to Trump opposed to securing the borders, being skeptical of immigrants from countries which sponsor terrorism and renegotiating trade agreements to create a level playing field for domestic industries?
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Old 01-29-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Yes dear.

I realize you can't see beyond the period, so best of luck to ya.
I don't need luck. American voters can see the truth very clearly and are increasingly rejecting the left's lies and foolishness. The left has been increasingly losing local, state, and federal elections since 2010.

By all means... Double down on the lies and foolishness. The left still has more to lose.
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