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Non-citizens who are in US don't have the right to vote, but other than that they are protected under the Constitution. The Constitution speaks of "people", not "citizens".
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Compared to this:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude"
Diplomats are the rare exception.
Just as Diplomats are the rate exception, so are the other non-citizens! At any time, their visas, greencards, and refugee status can be revoked and they are subject to detention and deportation.
It's just a fact. At any time, the law affecting the aforementioned non-citizen statuses can change at any time (unlike citizenship afforded by the Constitution). I dont know what else to say. . .
Despite what senators say - who apparently know NOTHING of the constitution - non citizens have ZERO rights afforded to them under the constitution.
Just like no one understanding the electoral college, this is yet another symptom of a terrible public education system. I'm starting to think the democrats depend on the ignorance of the average american so they can stand up in a public place with a megaphone and make absolute FALSE claims.
I've frequently thought the same. The dumbing down of Americans in public schools was deliberate; a ploy for political power.
Just as Diplomats are the rate exception, so are the other non-citizens! At any time, their visas, greencards, and refugee status can be revoked and they are subject to detention and deportation.
It's just a fact. At any time, the law affecting the aforementioned non-citizen statuses can change at any time (unlike citizenship afforded by the Constitution). I dont know what else to say. . .
LAW is probably the key word there.
And it seems like you admit the truth - that people here have rights. Until they are not here.
So we agree.
Now, ask Congress to make some laws and let us know the names and numbers of them so we can look them up.
And it seems like you admit the truth - that people here have rights. Until they are not here.
So we agree.
Now, ask Congress to make some laws and let us know the names and numbers of them so we can look them up.
the laws pertaining to green cards, visas, and refugees are already on the books. You can use google just as well, if not better, than I can so feel free to look them up.
I didn't say any difference. I'm starting to notice a pattern.
I think we might be confusing YOUR argument with the overall argument. This thread is about banning immigrants and refugees. And what I and others are saying is that yes, you can ban them as they are not protected by the constitution.
where it got grey is when we were talking about those already here who have some basic rights afforded to them through the constitution but can be revoked through changes in their legal status.
IF they had enacted a ban on Muslim immigrants that WOULD be unconstitutional.
That is why that is NOT what they did, they enacted a ban on immigrants from certain nations which is NOT unconstitutional - and the reason they did it that way is they KNEW that if they enacted a ban on a specific religion it would have been struck down in court.
Non-citizens who are in US don't have the right to vote, but other than that they are protected under the Constitution. The Constitution speaks of "people", not "citizens".
Again, the issue at hand is non-citizens who are NOT in the US. They're abroad. As such, they have no Constitutional rights.
Just as Diplomats are the rate exception, so are the other non-citizens! At any time, their visas, greencards, and refugee status can be revoked and they are subject to detention and deportation. It's just a fact. At any time, the law affecting the aforementioned non-citizen statuses can change at any time (unlike citizenship afforded by the Constitution). I dont know what else to say. . .
I think the problem is that you do not understand what "protected by the Constitution" or "due process" means.
They are protected by the Constitution, it does not mean they are immune from the courts. No one is.
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