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Old 01-29-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Not when they have been denied entry to the US, as CAN be done by Immigration. Read my prior post. At that point, they're non-citizens and not in the US. That means they have no Constitutional protection.
Oh dear, I just don't know what to do. Oh dear, oh dear. The government and immigration law experts say one thing about the law, and you say another.

Oh dear, oh dear, who am I to believe...

Do Illegal Aliens Have Constitutional Rights?
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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But that doesn't explain why people returning from a weekend in Canada were detained.
Immigration can refuse re-entry to Green Card holders based on any number of factors. USCIS specifically states that Immigration determines IF they can enter the US. Re-entry to the US is neither automatic nor guaranteed.

This is what happens when people don't consider the consequences of their own actions, much like the illegal aliens now wailing about having their "families split up."

Well, they all knew the risks, and chose to accept them. Can't whine and complain about the known possible consequences now that they have to live with them.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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Immigration can refuse re-entry to Green Card holders based on any number of factors. USCIS specifically states that Immigration determines IF they can enter the US. Re-entry to the US is neither automatic nor guaranteed.

This is what happens when people don't consider the consequences of their own actions, much like the illegal aliens now wailing about having their "families split up."

Well, they all knew the risks, and chose to accept them. Can't whine and complain about the known possible consequences, now.
This is nonsense.

There are set laws and restrictions placed on Legal Permanent Residents that they understand, are aware of and work under the confines of.

This bar is not one of them.

None of these green card holders are being barred because of the inadmissability criteria.

What are their "own actions" that caused this bar?
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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Oh dear, I just don't know what to do. Oh dear, oh dear. The government and immigration law experts say one thing about the law, and you say another.

Oh dear, oh dear, who am I to believe...

Do Illegal Aliens Have Constitutional Rights?
They don't have Constitutional rights outside of the US. Again, we're talking about non-citizens who have been denied entry to the US, which the USCIS specifically states Immigration can do.

Not a citizen + barred from entry into the US = no US Constitutional rights

Same as how, for example, an Italian citizen in Canada has no US Constitutional rights.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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This is nonsense.

There are set laws and restrictions placed on Legal Permanent Residents that they understand, are aware of and work under the confines of.
Including the FACT that re-entry into the US is neither automatic nor guaranteed for Green Card holders. So states the USCIS. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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Default Just wrong...

What bothers me: They come from other countries, have their babies here, the child is instantly a U.S. citizen and this opens to the door to government assistance for them, such as WIC and Medicare, even though they never lived here before. Under the 14th amendment, a foreign child born here in the U.S. is now a U.S. Citizen. They call them "tourist babies" or "anchor babies" or "drop and leave babies"

Adopted in 1868, this amendment needs to be rewritten to curb automatic "birthright citizenship." and entitlements such as the WIC program and Medicaid.


"The newborn children a.k.a. "drop and leave babies" spend only a few weeks in the United States before collecting their U.S. passports and heading back to Mexico, or other countries. They likely will never learn the Pledge of Allegiance, or about our Founding Fathers, and sometimes they do not even learn English; in other words, they never learn what it is to be an American. Yet these children will retain the full benefits and privileges of U.S. citizenship for life."

NO Free Rides:

In addition to trying to prevent foreigners from coming to the United States to give birth, Congress should also direct the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security to penalize temporary visitors who have received taxpayer-funded public assistance to cover the associated costs of their birth, or who have had the expenses waived by the hospital. In one of the more galling examples of government loopholes, a foreigner can come to the United States, give birth in a U.S. hospital, which even without complications can routinely cost close to $9,000, and return to her country of origin without paying her bills and suffer no consequences ...when applying for future tourist visas. This is possible because of provisions under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) that require Medicare-participating hospitals (virtually all hospitals) to provide emergency medical services, including active labor, regardless of an individual’s citizenship and ability to pay.


A Plan to Address Birth Tourism | Center for Immigration Studies
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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Including the FACT that re-entry into the US is neither automatic nor guaranteed for Green Card holders. So states the USCIS. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them.
Stop snipping my posts in your quotes.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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Oh dear, I just don't know what to do. Oh dear, oh dear. The government and immigration law experts say one thing about the law, and you say another.
Not me, USCIS.

Perhaps you can cite any government or immigration law expert who says non-US citizens who are outside the US have US Constitutional rights. We'll wait...
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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Including the FACT that re-entry into the US is neither automatic nor guaranteed for Green Card holders. So states the USCIS. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them.
Under certain conditions. Not just because. OK?

Trump has set up a condition that was completely foreseeable. There was no need to cause all this chaos.

Fair warning would have been a reasonable and prudent thing to do.

A lot of green card holders are married to US citizens and have US citizen children. This doesn't just effect foreign nationals.

There was a better way to handle this.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Stop snipping my posts in your quotes.
You're not posting facts. You're posting "opinion."

If you want anyone to take you seriously, contradict the FACT I posted that USCIS can indeed determine IF a Green Card holder can re-enter the US or not from abroad, with actual facts.
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