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Old 05-12-2017, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Jersey
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Impeachment?... HAH!!! We need a referendum to grant Mr. Trump more executive powers! The legislative and judiciary branches are failing hardcore. Maybe after that we can jail some journalists and academics. You're either with him or against him. IN TRUMP WE TRUST!!!

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Old 05-12-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Impeachment why? Because you and others don't like him?

Also... impeachment does not mean removal. We learned that with Clinton.

Grow up. Trump won the election. Stop trying to cut corners and advance your agenda (whatever that is) and elect your candidates the right way.
Impeachment is the process. Conviction removes the official in a separate hearing that follows.

Grounds for impeachment include mental impairment. It was included in the Constitution because the founding fathers feared someone like mad King George could become President.

King George was insane at the time of our revolution. His insanity was very thoroughly recorded in official records and the London press of the day.

He was having hallucinations, doing strange things, etc., but he refused to relinquish his crown, and the British Parliament had no legal way to force him off the throne. Eventually he began having epileptic seizures, and was hospitalized, but he still refused to give up the crown, and remained King until he died, still mad as a hatter.

After his death and the succession, the new King, his son, allowed Parliament to write a law similar to impeachment, as I recall, so that there was a way to unseat the King and allow the crown to be passed to his successor. But it has never been used.

No one is denying Trump won. There is evidence Trump colluded with the Russian hacking, an attempt to interfere in our election. There is also genuine concern in both parties that Trump is mentally unfit to govern.

If that's an agenda, so be it. The process is rigorous and impeachment is difficult to achieve. It was designed to be this way, as it's the only political crime in our law books, and is the most drastic step than can be taken as a way to force a President out of office against his will.

There's a long process that first finds the facts, then decides where to go next, and then impeachment, and then conviction. Any of these could stop at any time, and the final stages involve the entire Congress. So it is not just a Democratic thing. In fact. every step is conducted in bi-partisan committees.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:35 PM
 
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As of now there is no evidence of any reason to impeach Trump. I don't expect there to be any either but you never know.
Even if one ignores the Russian problems, there are grounds many times over with violations of the emoluments clause. I don't know which of his lies amount to obstruction of justice, but there may be some of that in there, too. The antagonism with which he views the courts could also result in a constitutional crisis if he refuses to obey court rulings. Since he has autocratic leanings, this is a possibility, too. I think the only reason he has not been brought up on some kind of charge is the Republican congress.

Trump has many suites in process. His legal team is trying to settle all of those out of court because they know if Trump ever takes the stand he will lie about something, and that would be perjury. That's what Clinton was impeached for - not for illicit sexual acts, but for perjury. So if one of those lawsuits actually goes to trial, Trump is in jeopardy.

I don't know if Trump will ever be actually impeached. But literally no one trusts him to tell the truth to the public or to the Hill, so I think he will have trouble getting through any of the things he has planned. No president can have a successful term when the popularity and trust is as low as Trump's. There can be a lot of damage, but little progress.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:38 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Coming soon.The call is getting louder and louder ,what is your opinion?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ps-impeachment
It's not getting any louder, except in your head.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:40 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Impeachment is the process. Conviction removes the official in a separate hearing that follows.

Grounds for impeachment include mental impairment. It was included in the Constitution because the founding fathers feared someone like mad King George could become President.

King George was insane at the time of our revolution. His insanity was very thoroughly recorded in official records and the London press of the day.

He was having hallucinations, doing strange things, etc., but he refused to relinquish his crown, and the British Parliament had no legal way to force him off the throne. Eventually he began having epileptic seizures, and was hospitalized, but he still refused to give up the crown, and remained King until he died, still mad as a hatter.

After his death and the succession, the new King, his son, allowed Parliament to write a law similar to impeachment, as I recall, so that there was a way to unseat the King and allow the crown to be passed to his successor. But it has never been used.

No one is denying Trump won. There is evidence Trump colluded with the Russian hacking, an attempt to interfere in our election. There is also genuine concern in both parties that Trump is mentally unfit to govern.

If that's an agenda, so be it. The process is rigorous and impeachment is difficult to achieve. It was designed to be this way, as it's the only political crime in our law books, and is the most drastic step than can be taken as a way to force a President out of office against his will.

There's a long process that first finds the facts, then decides where to go next, and then impeachment, and then conviction. Any of these could stop at any time, and the final stages involve the entire Congress. So it is not just a Democratic thing. In fact. every step is conducted in bi-partisan committees.
What evidence is that specifically?
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Constitutional USA, zn.8A
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It's not getting any louder, except in your head.
sadly true
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:16 PM
 
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Didn't they say whoever can't accept the results of the election is a threat to the country?
Well dolt 45 must be a traitor then, because he keeps complaining about voter fraud...
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:09 PM
 
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Clinton was no worse than the Republicans trying him. At the time, at least three Republicans had extra-marital affairs. The only difference, Clinton lied about it. Clinton face two out of four charges for impeachment, lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Of the two, lying under oath only got above 50% of the vote while obstruction of justice was less. Plus, many considered this a witch hunt whether it was Democrats or independents. People felt sorry for him.

Trump's situation isn't Clinton's by any stretch. Trump will have his supporters regardless. We see it no matter what on here. McCain isn't a war hero, support. Mocking a cerebal palsy patient who is a news-writer, oh well. Illegal immigration, cheers. Going back on promises, cheers. I can go on and on. The fact is, IF this gets as big as it really could especially due to Comey's firing and the fact Congress despite the firing asked for a closed door (top-clearance) meeting, it says something. At the very least Trump team members had Russian ties, maybe not ordering a hack into the DNC but business ties that should have disqualified them from being so high ranking. Trump feared something. This was a preemptive defensive strike the likes of which we haven't seen since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre. This is the act of a desperate man, a narcissist and possibly a mentally-disturbed man. He's not likable now besides his base, throw something damning enough with the upcoming investigation, and he's as done as Nixon.
Clinton's "sins," which most would choose to rightly call crimes, were perjury and obstruction of justice. Whatever the moral failings of any Republicans in Congress at the time might have been, none of them stood accused of perjury and obstruction of justice, on top of gross sexual harrassment, as Clinton did. Clinton's situation and that of any Republicans in Congress simply are not comparable.

The comparison to Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre is similarly strained. There was known to be an actual underlying crime in the Watergate affair (the burglary), whereas no such crime exists in the current controversy, insofar as we know. As it stands right now, this investigation is essentially a political vendetta furiously searching for its first allegation, and coming up dry at every turn. It's not like the Hillary Clinton investigation, where she potentially faced hundreds/thousands of counts of violating 18 USC 1001, 1505 and 1519 (dealing with failure to safeguard/destroying public records). In July, 2016, Comey essentially granted that Hillary was guilty of those offenses, but said, for some unexplained reason, that he could find no specific intent on her part to violate those statutes. This statement was all the more inexplicable since none of the statutes she violated require criminal intent at all.

The reason Comey is gone is because he wanted to play both investigator and prosecutor. Making the decision whether or not to prosecute any particular case is the U.S. Attorney's job, not the FBI Director's. The FBI investigates, and the U.S. Attorney prosecutes at discretion. Comey took it upon himself to make a prosecutorial decision regarding Hillary Clinton that was not his to make. So he's gone.

It helps to remember that whether Comey is FBI Director or not is completely immaterial to the Flynn-Russia investigation, as said investigation will continue whether Comey is there or not, something Trump obviously already knows. This reality alone tosses the "desperate, narcissist, mentally-disturbed" line of thinking onto the logical scrap heap.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:11 PM
 
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I voted for Trump, and that is a bet I would not make at this point. He'll be lucky to get 4 years the way things are going.
Ignore the media. Trump accomplishing great things.

Former NBC Chief Bob Wright on Media's Bias Against Trump: 'It's Everywhere' | Fox Business
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Impeachment?... HAH!!! We need a referendum to grant Mr. Trump more executive powers! The legislative and judiciary branches are failing hardcore. Maybe after that we can jail some journalists and academics. You're either with him or against him. IN TRUMP WE TRUST!!!

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