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Old 01-28-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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CNN showed 134,000,000 people not allowed into USA! What a sick propaganda channel.

Where was CNN to tell that Jewish people are not allowed into many Muslim countries!

Where is CNN to mention (if they want to bring propaganda news) that my ancestors were denied access to USA due to muzzles when they arrived at Ellis Island. We never held the US responsible nor the President at the time for them being sent back on the boat and later dying in Auswitz!

 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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America making "islam the enemy" will bring the country down a dark path. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening than getting killed by terrorism. Why are people so afraid? Too much right wing propghanda?

So many people responded with complete nonsense.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Metaphorically they did. Manifest destiny over the native population in order to rob resources for the King was the ultimate goal.

Note: I'm making a big assumption that you're from English, Spanish or French roots.
I'm Irish and Romanian.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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My vote would be to continue the Syrian refugee program and not impose the temporary ban on the other countries for these reasons:

1. Concern over the adequacy of vetting? Current refugees ARE vetted. Not satisfied that standards are high enough? Then adjust the parameters and certainly deny visas to any who did not meet them. No argument that security triumphs humanitarian concerns.

2. Concern over program cost? Then set numbers of available visas at whatever Congress or the Administration is willing to fund. We apply cost-benefit analysis to other budgetary decisions. Why not this one?

Those are the negative reasons to continue. Some of the positive.

I'll skip the feel-good items and move right to the functional.

3. Religious radicals in the Muslim world have pretty much declared war on the West. Osama bin Ladin was smart enough to grasp that that war may well be won or lost within the Muslim middle class - the very element that we are excluding with the ban. Why hand ISIS a propaganda tool?

4. As long as the United States does "business" - either governmental, military, humanitarian, tourist-oriented, economic etc. - in the portion of the world that is Muslim, it is foolish to declare those peoples to be persona non grata. Who knows when we may need them. And for what. Trump can attempt to characterize this action is something other than a Muslim ban but who believes him, particularly when he was forced to walk back his pre-election language to make it country-specific. And regardless of what he may say, or Americans may believe, what counts is how it's processed abroad.

At a very minimum, the wise policy would be to keep the numbers down on the refugee program (if that must be) and be quiet. As for the *temporary* ban on the impacted countries, consular officials are already well trained. If there's concern about a class or specific individuals, then do NOT issue those particular visas. The ban will end, the memory will remain. Wonder why he did not follow that path?

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Old 01-28-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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CNN showed 134,000,000 people not allowed into USA! What a sick propaganda channel.

Where was CNN to tell that Jewish people are not allowed into many Muslim countries!

Where is CNN to mention (if they want to bring propaganda news) that my ancestors were denied access to USA due to muzzles when they arrived at Ellis Island. We never held the US responsible nor the President at the time for them being sent back on the boat and later dying in Auswitz!
True that CNN did not clearly label that figure although they did not quite SAY that. Still, we HAVE just stuck out our tongue at that number of people (not to mention their co-religionists in countries with a long record of friendship with the US). For better or for worse.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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How does importing welfare cases benefit american taxpayers?
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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20 trillion in debt. Over 600,000 homeless in this country. Failing infrastructure. This is a program that we as a nation simply can not afford at this time. We need to start cleaning up our own yard.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said. In 2011, fewer than 10,000 Iraqis were resettled as refugees in the U.S., half the number from the year before, State Department statistics show.
Al Qaeda in Kentucky: US May Have Let 'Dozens' of Terrorists Into Country as Refugees - ABC News

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Obama did it.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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Most likely they'll come here after the ban is lifted. Yay more welfare recipients for us to take care of.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 05:58 PM
 
Location: The Windy City
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Hmm. Nope. Economic migrants are not allowed to stay in Germany.
They're not "supposed" to stay in Germany, but they do. There are a ton of them in France, trying to make their way to the UK.

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Which costs how much? And regardless, once admitted they are on welfare.
Why should working Americans be further burdened?
How do you know that? If anything, foreigners have a much better work ethic than most Americans. I don't think I've ever seen a homeless Mexican, Iranian, or Italian.
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