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Old 01-28-2017, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident View Post
Read the Quran:

It only gets worse . . . the list goes on and on. And people wonder where Jihadists get their motivation from

Note, I took care not to write that Muslims have declared the West their enemy. No, there are many, many peace-loving Muslims. But that doesn't mean that Islam has not declared the West its enemy. The proof is right there for those who choose to see it.
Oh boy this will be fun. I've done more than just read the Quran in english my friend...I know a good portion of it by heart in Arabic and recite it at least 5 times a day. So let's get started...

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" -Quran (2:191-193)

First of all the word fitnah means persecution and oppression in this context...not disbelief or worshipping other than Allah (swt). This was confirmed by the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir...a classical scholar from over a thousand years ago. Second, the verse was revealed as a command to the believers in their *defense* as they were running from the pagan tribes that they came from. What we gather in the modern context is that it is allowed in war to fight and if the attackers cease/desist/raise the white flag we are obliged to cease-fire.

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". Quran (3:151)

No, this actually doesn't refer to Christians *at all*. This verse was revealed at the conclusion of the battle of Uhud...which was a battle the Muslims lost against the Pagan Arabs. What happened was that the Allah (swt) made the pagan arabs fear the retreating Muslims...they thought they had "won too easily" and perhaps were in for an ambush or otherwise. This was the fear that God put in their heart and what is referred to as "terror" above. Absolutely, nothing to do with Christians.

"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." Quran (4:74)

In order to understand the above verse, lo and behold....we need to read the next one!

"And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?”" Quran 4:75

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" -Quran (5:33)

Read the bold. Yes, if a nation wages war against us...we are allowed to fight until they cease and desist.

I know you copied and pasted these verse from an Islamophobe site or otherwise. It's an incredibly unwise thing to do for a variety of reasons...number one being that those sites have an agenda..and they seek to promote such an agenda through quoting verbatim, cherry-picked, english translations. Further they intentionally mis-translate at times and sometimes outright lie. It's fake-scholarship akin to fake-news.

Now...you want to know where Jihadists get their motivations from? Geopolitical rage and opportunities to take power. ISIS in particular is made up almost entirely of ex-Saddam Baath party members...these guys were the types of Muslims whom drank, gambled and didn't pray 15+ years ago...now that their arab nationalism has fallen out of favor they have re-branded under the ISIS name.


Old 01-28-2017, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SteakandEggs13 View Post
So what are we going to do about white domestic terrorist because they have a bigger impact than those refugees

Wrong. Pulse, San Bernardino, Boston Bomber, 9/11, almost all recent mass murders are tied to terrorists with ME ties or allegiance.
Old 01-28-2017, 08:21 PM
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Harsh, maybe, but infinitely preferable to Angela Merkel's foolhardy extreme open-door largesse.
Old 01-28-2017, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by modernist1 View Post
Harsh, but infinitely preferable to Angela Merkel's foolhardy extreme open-door largesse.


Merkel should be arrested as a co-conspirator for all crimes committed by HER refugees.
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