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Old 01-28-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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Winning??? You do know that this isn't a reality show, right? It's not a lefty/righty contest. It's the deterioration of what America was built on. Our founders, the British, fled England because of religious persecution. I'll bet they're proud. Hardly.
The Founding Fathers did not flee England because they were persecuted for their religion. Most were of the same religious persuasion as King George. Those people that came here earlier because of religious persecution in England ended up even less tolerant of different religions. Some of the more unfortunates were labeled as witches and burned at the stake for having a different religious view.
The Founding Fathers did not sign a suicide pact saying anyone can come here without proper vetting.

 
Old 01-28-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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They were being imported by the Dems to destroy America. Move those already imported to CA and let them destroy that state.
Dems see these people along with illegal aliens as future Democratic voters. That's why they fight so hard to let as many in as they can regardless of anything else. Don't forget they all will be having children here and lots of them that can vote at age 18. The more the better because it helps keep them elected in public office. That's the sad truth.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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San Bernardino, Boston, Orlando just for starters.
SB and Orlando massacres were planned and executed by natural born US citizens. The SB terrorist and his pal were knee deep in terrorism plots well before he imported his bride.

Boston bombers never set foot in Syria or the Middle East.

All the 9/11 hijackers entered the US legally, not as refugees.

Not possible to properly vet anyone, from anywhere.

More than 70 million entered the US legally last year for purposes of tourism, business and education. Some of them own property in the US, including Trump Tower. Developers of luxury class residential projects routinely market to wealthy foreigners.

Once in all are free to travel throughout the US. 99% depart before the expiration of their visas. The majority of over stayers are Canadians who depart within a year.

The 30+ year old bilateral Visa Waiver Program allows citizens of 38 countries to enter the US without a Visas. It was subsequently amended to exclude dual citizens of Iraq, Iran, Syria or Sudan.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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SB and Orlando massacres were planned and executed by natural born US citizens. The SB terrorist and his pal were knee deep in terrorism plots well before he imported his bride.

Boston bombers never set foot in Syria or the Middle East.

All the 9/11 hijackers entered the US legally, not as refugees.

Not possible to properly vet anyone, from anywhere.

More than 70 million entered the US legally last year for purposes of tourism, business and education. Some of them own property in the US, including Trump Tower. Developers of luxury class residential projects routinely market to wealthy foreigners.

Once in all are free to travel throughout the US. 99% depart before the expiration of their visas. The majority of over stayers are Canadians who depart within a year.

The 30+ year old bilateral Visa Waiver Program allows citizens of 38 countries to enter the US without a Visas. It was subsequently amended to exclude dual citizens of Iraq, Iran, Syria or Sudan.
Let's also not forget that the SB and Orlando terrorists and Boston bombers were second generation American citizens who's parents immigrated here from Muslim countries. Boston Bombers and others you mentioned did travel back to their parents countries of origin. It's rather odd isn't it that they came here seeking asylum from their native countries supposedly fearing for their lives, but then they and their children travel back there without a worry.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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It has already taken effect.

Trump's executive visa order sees travellers 'turned away' from US
 
Old 01-28-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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Not possible to properly vet anyone, from anywhere.
This has to be one of the most ridiculous arguments that is often presented in these debates.
It's also not possible to prevent all crime but does that mean that we should not have police or laws?

- The FBI themselves said these people could not be properly vetted. They DID NOT say that it was impossible to "properly vet anyone, from anywhere", they said THESE SYRIANS could not be properly vetted.

- They come from an extremist culture and religion and in many cases will not assimilate into US culture and don't want to. They will be essentially a community that is separate and apart from us and within time will start making demands about sharia law as opposed to following OUR laws.

- We have the luxury of seeing the RESULTS of a policy like this right now. In Europe. It isn't pretty.
Do we want to head down the path of Germany under Angela Merkel? I don't.

I have lots of problems with Trump and I didn't vote for him.
I don't have a problem his polices on immigration at all.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I don't have a problem with this policy by Trump, but unfortunately it is not easy to stop Islamic inspired terrorism in the U.S. by banning refugees/immigrants from certain nations.

Much of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil the past several years were committed by those who were born in the U.S. as pointed out by others. These lone wolves 'inspired' themselves to commit these acts, and it is still my belief that these attacks were less about Islamic terrorism and more about narcissists wanting their 15 minutes of infamy. Just like Dylan Roof or any other mass shooters, the exterior motive may be different, but the interior motives are all the same.

The lone exception being the Fort Hood shooter.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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Let's also not forget that the SB and Orlando terrorists and Boston bombers were second generation American citizens who's parents immigrated here from Muslim countries. Boston Bombers and others you mentioned did travel back to their parents countries of origin. It's rather odd isn't it that they came here seeking asylum from their native countries supposedly fearing for their lives, but then they and their children travel back there without a worry.
Let not forget the SB shooter went to The Middle East and found his little radical wife and brought her here to commit terrorist. Now the question is....Did him going there and marrying here cause him to be radicalized or did he already have the thought of committing a terrorist attack before he traveled there?
 
Old 01-28-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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Old 01-28-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Bran's tree
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I can't believe anyone seriously thinks this is a bad thing.

Can anyone put forth a coherent argument in favor of admitting hordes of refugees that aren't based on the dislike of Trump/conservatives or on kumbaya feelings?
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