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Old 03-06-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Ok OP....So what? What is it you want to do? Or is this just another rant that is nothing but, need to vent? What's the point of this topic?
Put a cap on immigration like most first world and prosperous nations do and we did for the majority of the 20th century and get a president with balls like President Eisenhower and deport illegals en masse like we did in the 1950s

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico - CSMonitor.com

"The first and more important action , was a legal reform and expansion of the Bracero guest worker visa program in 1951.The second was called Operation *******, a immigration enforcement operation begun in 1954 (it expanded on earlier program) that altogether removed almost two million unauthorized Mexicans in 1953-1954

As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.

According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation *******" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
e orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.

General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.

Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.

"Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.

Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."

William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.

Edwards says: "When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce."
"

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Old 03-06-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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In your neck of the woods-- the panhandle - slavery still exists- go visit some farms near Destin-- 5 yr. olds picking fruit or whatever it is.


It is estimated that there are approximately 500,000 farm workers under the age of 18.


Children in the Fields - : National Farm Worker Ministry


https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/11/17/...rm-child-labor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfEtO00DSvI
And most legal mexican workers dont want illegals either! They lower the wages of everyone. Why was cesar chavez so anti illegal immigration?

Cesar Chavez believed ferociously in the border of the United States — because that border protected his union. So ferociously did he hold this view that the New York Times ran a story detailing an accusation that the union Chavez founded, the United Farm Workers, set up a 100 mile “wet line” to keep “wetbacks” and “illegals” — yes, all of those are Chavez’s words — out of the United States.


https://spectator.org/59956_cesar-ch...is-union-core/
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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Put a cap on immigration like most first world and prosperous nations do and we did for the majority of the 20th century and get a president with balls like President Eisenhower and deport illegals en masse like we did in the 1950s

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico - CSMonitor.com

"The first and more important action , was a legal reform and expansion of the Bracero guest worker visa program in 1951.The second was called Operation *******, a immigration enforcement operation begun in 1954 (it expanded on earlier program) that altogether removed almost two million unauthorized Mexicans in 1953-1954

As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.

According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation *******" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
e orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.

General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.

Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.

"Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.

Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."

William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.

Edwards says: "When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their [illegal] workforce with a legal workforce."
"
So this has nothing to do with the OP. It's two completely different issues. So you think we should only accept immigration from Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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So this has nothing to do with the OP. It's two completely different issues. So you think we should only accept immigration from Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?
No , I want a massive cap on all immigration from everywhere and allow for the assimilation of the people we have here already. That nordic immigration stuff would be terrible now, they are some of the worst leftists on the planet, they have even screwed up europe with immigration. I dont want some open border leftist coming here from Scandinavia or northern europe either, we have enough liberal poofs here already
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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No , I want a massive cap on all immigration from everywhere and allow for the assimilation of the people we have here already. That nordic immigration stuff would be terrible now, they are some of the worst leftists on the planet, they have even screwed up europe with immigration. I dont want some open border leftist coming here from Scandinavia or northern europe either, we have enough liberal poofs here already
Fine fair enough. And the ones already here?

Lol poof. You do know that's a British word, not an American word, right?
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Fine fair enough. And the ones already here?

Lol poof. You do know that's a British word, not an American word, right?

Why would we get rid of those already here legally unless they prove themselves to be a national security or economic threat to our country? If they are peaceful and can provide for themselves then there isn't an issue. I'd like to see more diversity in our legal immigration numbers. That means giving "all" ethnic groups the same share of those numbers. There is nothing unfair about that but treating them all as equals. Of course we still have to be careful what types we allow in though based on the above.
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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Why would we get rid of those already here legally unless they prove themselves to be a national security or economic threat to our country? If they are peaceful and can provide for themselves then there isn't an issue. I'd like to see more diversity in our legal immigration numbers. That means giving "all" ethnic groups the same share of those numbers. There is nothing unfair about that but treating them all as equals. Of course we still have to be careful what types we allow in though based on the above.
Isn't immigration an "economic threat" at some level? According to the anti immigrant circles anyway. Sounds like going around in circles to me
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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Isn't immigration an "economic threat" at some level? According to the anti immigrant circles anyway. Sounds like going around in circles to me

It's not a threat if the immigrant can prove he will be self-sustaining rather than a burden to our society. As for job prospects, it should be proven that an American can't be found to do a particular job for a fair wage before immigrants are allowed to take them, IMO.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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And most legal mexican workers dont want illegals either! They lower the wages of everyone. Why was cesar chavez so anti illegal immigration?

Cesar Chavez believed ferociously in the border of the United States — because that border protected his union. So ferociously did he hold this view that the New York Times ran a story detailing an accusation that the union Chavez founded, the United Farm Workers, set up a 100 mile “wet line” to keep “wetbacks” and “illegals” — yes, all of those are Chavez’s words — out of the United States.


https://spectator.org/59956_cesar-ch...is-union-core/
Your reply-- has NOTHING to do with your back woods- the Fla panhandle-- where there really are no slaves--- that is an alternative universe or something??
Talking about a dead activist from 1993-- this world has changed so much he'd have a HEART attack if saw what farmers are doing today-- these are your petty neighbors- who hire these illegals- while you all look the other way--
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Old 03-06-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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No , I want a massive cap on all immigration from everywhere and allow for the assimilation of the people we have here already. That nordic immigration stuff would be terrible now, they are some of the worst leftists on the planet, they have even screwed up europe with immigration. I dont want some open border leftist coming here from Scandinavia or northern europe either, we have enough liberal poofs here already
Some transplants have not assimilated to Florida culture--they should ALL go home-- natives should be the only ones to decide who can come here or not- dang snowbirds retiree stuck ups.
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