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It will not be made illegal.
It will be up to the various states.
Waiting for that list of back alleys.
If you like I can provide you with a link to an actual doctor who performed abortions in Pennsylvania. He's serving life in prison.
Do you think illegal abortion providers keep websites advertising their services????
You are paying tax dollars to feed, house and for medical care of unwanted children and you will have to house many of them for life when they go to prison.
Keep in mind that abortion isn't about unwanted children, but convenience. Many children not necessarily wanted don't end up committing crime and going to prison. I can see where you are going with that, borders on genocide, of course, anyone familiar with Margaret Sanger, PP founder, knows exactly what I am talking about. So, rich white women aren't the ones that really want abortion to be there when they need it? Of course, rich white kids don't end up in prison if mommy and daddy can get them off. BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger - Page Five
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
It will become illegal in red states, so places like MS and TX will just bring back the back alley coat hanger abortions, goodie gum drops
Maybe they'll choose birth control or sterilization when abortion is no longer an option. Couples were able to limit the size of their families 50 years ago with what today seems "primitive" when it comes to birth control. Don't have to worry about birth control if you can just order the death of the unborn. Geesh people have become heartless.
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Originally Posted by charolastra00
It's wrong to limit access to healthcare based on your zip code.
No one is talking about limiting access to healthcare. Do you consider a baby a healthcare issue. Stopping the heartbeat of baby as curing a healthcare issue?
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Originally Posted by Listener2307
There is 1 abortion facility in MS.
Please post link to coat hanger sites.
Abortion is part of healthcare?
I am sure there are many clinics that provide birth control on a sliding scale and Medicaid (think poor people) generally provides birth control to include sterilization.
Abortion sure to heck isn't healthcare for the baby whose heartbeat stops at the order of its mother.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Notice the words back alley
Just like with prohibition of drugs, you can't stop someone from doing what they ultimately want to do just because you make it illegal
But, you make it their choice to do it or not. You attempt to protect them or their child from themselves the best we can.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Poor people can't afford to travel
Are poor people the ones having abortions? Also, what if instead of trying to eliminate poor people by allowing abortion, we do something about "poor"? Jobs for instance. What if we make it so they have money to support the children rather than discouraging them from having children they cannot afford?
You seem to think that "wealth" is the issue rather than whether someone does or does not want their baby. Think about. Should a woman have to end the life of her baby for financial reasons. Let's fix poor versus stopping the heartbeat of her baby. That would be a better choice. Or we can just try to kill off all the offspring of the poor, but that has already been proven not to eliminate poverty.
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Originally Posted by RedZin
Religious.
Which isn't okay.
Moral isn't necessarily "religious". Is everyone that isn't religious immoral?
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I'm not anti-morals, but why try to legislate morality?
To have a civilized nation? Laws against murder, rape, robbing, etc. legislate morality, do you not see this as necessary?
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Morals aren't necessarily religious. Plenty of non-religious people do not agree with abortion.
Yes, being religious has nothing to do with being moral. I would think anyone with respect for life would not agree with abortion.
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Thank you! I don't know when morality and religion got conflated, but one can be moral and not be religious and vice versa!
Exactly. I actually know a lot of religious people who I consider immoral. As I said, if poverty is the real problem, let's try to fix that. Isn't everyone saying poor people need to rid themselves of their babies before they are born? I don't feel like they are getting a choice and can't help but wonder if it isn't expected. I suspect the real reason is that wealthier people want to see this choice and/or some people think eliminating a certain group of people would eliminate the race and/or poverty.
The entire issue belongs at the state level because there is no place in the Constitution that makes this a federal issue, thus it should be left to the states!
Do you think illegal abortion providers keep websites advertising their services????
If it were illegal, all the websites would be on the dark web. Along with those websites that promote and sell child sex slaves, illegal drugs, murder for hire, etc.
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Keep in mind that abortion isn't about unwanted children, but convenience. Many children not necessarily wanted don't end up committing crime and going to prison. I can see where you are going with that, borders on genocide, of course, anyone familiar with Margaret Sanger, PP founder, knows exactly what I am talking about. So, rich white women aren't the ones that really want abortion to be there when they need it? Of course, rich white kids don't end up in prison if mommy and daddy can get them off. BlackGenocide.org | The Truth About Margaret Sanger - Page Five
Maybe they'll choose birth control or sterilization when abortion is no longer an option. Couples were able to limit the size of their families 50 years ago with what today seems "primitive" when it comes to birth control. Don't have to worry about birth control if you can just order the death of the unborn. Geesh people have become heartless.
No one is talking about limiting access to healthcare. Do you consider a baby a healthcare issue. Stopping the heartbeat of baby as curing a healthcare issue?
I am sure there are many clinics that provide birth control on a sliding scale and Medicaid (think poor people) generally provides birth control to include sterilization.
Abortion sure to heck isn't healthcare for the baby whose heartbeat stops at the order of its mother.
But, you make it their choice to do it or not. You attempt to protect them or their child from themselves the best we can.
Are poor people the ones having abortions? Also, what if instead of trying to eliminate poor people by allowing abortion, we do something about "poor"? Jobs for instance. What if we make it so they have money to support the children rather than discouraging them from having children they cannot afford?
You seem to think that "wealth" is the issue rather than whether someone does or does not want their baby. Think about. Should a woman have to end the life of her baby for financial reasons. Let's fix poor versus stopping the heartbeat of her baby. That would be a better choice. Or we can just try to kill off all the offspring of the poor, but that has already been proven not to eliminate poverty.
Moral isn't necessarily "religious". Is everyone that isn't religious immoral?
To have a civilized nation? Laws against murder, rape, robbing, etc. legislate morality, do you not see this as necessary?
Yes, being religious has nothing to do with being moral. I would think anyone with respect for life would not agree with abortion.
Exactly. I actually know a lot of religious people who I consider immoral. As I said, if poverty is the real problem, let's try to fix that. Isn't everyone saying poor people need to rid themselves of their babies before they are born? I don't feel like they are getting a choice and can't help but wonder if it isn't expected. I suspect the real reason is that wealthier people want to see this choice and/or some people think eliminating a certain group of people would eliminate the race and/or poverty.
Abortion stops a heartbeat, need I say more?
You can't fix poor as long as you have capitalism. And you can't just create some make work job to give them money. There are only so many resources to go around, so short of state mandated or voluntary socialism, there will always be poor people.
And fact: The easiest way to become poor is to have a kid
And also, you say not valuing the life. As far as I'm concerned, until a child is old enough to work and pay their own way, they are a liability to the parent, and the parent comes first. If a child is going to be such a liability to the parent that it brings down the whole ship so to speak, then either A word will do (obviously adoption if the child is already born)
The question is do you want illegal abortions or legal abortions, either way they will continue.
The good news is that abortions are down as are unwanted teen pregnancies, that may or may not be due to abortion clinics being closed in many states.
No the question is, do you value life or not. If you do, then you want neither legalized, state sanctioned murder of the unborn, nor do you want women to feel that they need to take the life of their unborn through illegal and dangerous means.
You can't stop someone who is bent on doing something illegal or dangerous and harmful, but that doesn't mean that the government should legalize it. If that were the case, then there would be no reason to outlaw child sex slavery or prostitution or murder for hire or any drugs, etc.
If Roe vs Wade is overturned, then the question of abortion will go back to the states. Some will allow it; others won't.
People don't understand this. They think that if Roe vs Wade is over turned, then abortions will be illegal.
And that's wrong. Effect of Overturning Roe v. Wade
This. It should not be up to the Federal Government, it should be an issue that each individual state decides to make legal or make illegal.
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