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What's happening is called Fascism. It's exactly what happened with the rise of the Nazi party, and you all are just cheering it on.
that's just stupid.
what is happening is the left is tossing a tantrum because the left didn't win the election. Donald Trump has done nothing that is fascist in nature. NOTHING. What he has done is overturn a few things Obama did by executive order.... shame on Obama for governing that way.
He has placed a temporary hold on immigration from 7 nations that have high likelihood of ISIS infiltration. That hold is for 90 days while a review is done on screening procedure.
That is what Mr. Trump has done. there is nothing fascist about that.
Well, while I'm no fan of Obama, I have to say that Obama was really the smoothest talker, best con man ever. He did it twice. Fooled the people twice...
Well, you know how that saying goes.
OK, I get, and even respect that you didn't like Obama. Fair enough. But comparing him to Trump? Really.
That you don't like him is both subjective, and undebatable. I'll give you that.
But can you give some OBJECTIVE reasons that he was a con-man? Was it the tripling of the DOW under his watch? The halfing of unemployment (using the same criteria in 2009 and 2016 please) that you don't like? How about the number of terrorist attacks on US Soil by immigrants compared to the previous admin?
I'm obviously showing my bias. I'm proud to. But can you give some OBJECTIVE data to support your claim? (there are litterally dozens, if not hundreds of threads with OBJECTIVE data showing the objections to Trump's agenda.)
C) They are somewhat successful. Some people will live in near Honduras like conditions. Others will live like Arabian royals. Large gates and private security forces will patrol large areas, and won't be funded by the government. Civil unrest will become normal, since welfare won't exist many millions of people will live in shacks and what not.
B or C are most likely at this point but no one can say they are surprised. He has said all of this since day one..
When do we turn into Honduras? We already have people living very poorly in some areas, in shacks and broken down trailers, and vermin infested apartments. Welfare doesn't do much for that. Do you seriously think welfare would be totally eliminated?
Which is precisely why the birther-in-chief loves him those uneducated fools...
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OK, I get, and even respect that you didn't like Obama. Fair enough. But comparing him to Trump? Really.
That you don't like him is both subjective, and undebatable. I'll give you that.
But can you give some OBJECTIVE reasons that he was a con-man?
He promised to end the wars. He did not.
He promised to not get us into new stupid wars. He did.
He promised to prosecute the bankers and did not. He did the opposite (which will be discussed more shortly)
He promised to shut the door to lobbyists. He opened it the first day.
I have many more if you need them.
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Was it the tripling of the DOW under his watch? The halfing of unemployment (using the same criteria in 2009 and 2016 please) that you don't like? How about the number of terrorist attacks on US Soil by immigrants compared to the previous admin?
The tripling of the markets was an absolute failure. It harmed the poor. It harmed the retired. It harmed people who save their money. It did wonders for the top few percent though. Is that who Obama was supposed to be?
You brought this up because you believe it is something the "right" would support. Many did but that doesn't negate that he failed here.
Our employed are employed at part time low paying jobs. Yippee.
How many attacks did we have with Bush? (who was as big of a failure as was Obama) Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an immigrant.
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I'm obviously showing my bias. I'm proud to. But can you give some OBJECTIVE data to support your claim? (there are litterally dozens, if not hundreds of threads with OBJECTIVE data showing the objections to Trump's agenda.)
Many of them hypocritical. Trump can only issue an EO on the wall because the (D)'s including Obama, Clinton, Biden helped pass it. All Trump did was say "let's go, start building what you voted for".
Trump simply did pretty much the same thing Obama did earlier with a hold on immigration. There was no protesting when Obama did it.
He promised to not get us into new stupid wars. He did.
He promised to prosecute the bankers and did not. He did the opposite (which will be discussed more shortly)
He promised to shut the door to lobbyists. He opened it the first day.
I have many more if you need them.
The tripling of the markets was an absolute failure. It harmed the poor. It harmed the retired. It harmed people who save their money. It did wonders for the top few percent though. Is that who Obama was supposed to be?
You brought this up because you believe it is something the "right" would support. Many did but that doesn't negate that he failed here.
Our employed are employed at part time low paying jobs. Yippee.
How many attacks did we have with Bush? (who was as big of a failure as was Obama) Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an immigrant.
Many of them hypocritical. Trump can only issue an EO on the wall because the (D)'s including Obama, Clinton, Biden helped pass it. All Trump did was say "let's go, start building what you voted for".
Trump simply did pretty much the same thing Obama did earlier with a hold on immigration. There was no protesting when Obama did it.
More?
A point of view that demand thought. THIS is the reason I read this board. Do you think such a point would be raised among wealthy Conservatives? Never! I'm grateful to be expose to such. Thank You Pknopp. Please give more if only to educate the many.
I want to Thank all who contributed to a well thought out conversing this morning. To me, THIS is the beauty of America.
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[quote=rlsolalxmd;47021327]Donald Trump and his election is about the transformation of the USA from a large federal power to a confederation of power back to localized factions.
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If that was the case then something like a travel ban or rounding up illegal immigrants would be on a state by state basis. Trump is doing the same thing as Obama: forcing all states to bow down toward one ideology.
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