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The problem there by the looks of things is those currently in leadership rolls don't want to give them up, even if it drags down the party.
If the Democrat party can't turn things around in 2018 and suffer great losses, then there is a good chance the leadership will be force out or the Democratic party will go the way of the Whig party. Effectively bringing an end to the far left progressive and liberal policies.
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Dara Barr, a 40-year-old acupuncturist from the East Village, told The Post she felt it was time for Schumer to crack the whip on the Democratic caucus
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Do ANY senators answer their phones directly from constituents?
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As you point out, Ryan. Gabbard would be another good choice. Seems the (D)'s have decided to hold the losing hand.
Does it make me a troll or violate any forum rules to keep pointing out that Tim Ryan and Tulsi Gabbard pretty much have the exact same views as Nancy Pelosi ?
Does it make me a troll or violate any forum rules to keep pointing out that Tim Ryan and Tulsi Gabbard pretty much have the exact same views as Nancy Pelosi ?
This is an optics argument, and that is sad.
“I’ll tell you what I heard from the Syrian people that I met with, Jake, walking down the street in Aleppo, in Damascus, hearing from them.
They expressed happiness and joy at seeing an American walking through their streets. But they also asked why the U.S. and its allies are providing support and arms to terrorist groups like al-Nusra, al-Qaida or al-Sham, ISIS who are on the ground there, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing the Syrian people.
They asked me, why is the United States and its allies supporting these terrorist groups who are destroying Syria when it was al-Qaeda who attacked the United States on 9/11, not Syria. I didn’t have an answer for them,” Gabbard said, noting the clear dismay the average Syrian has for the U.S. support of al-Qaeda – a proposition which every American should equally question.
What are you talking about? Most New Deal democrats want to bring the party to the left economically and more to the center on social issues. Tim Ryan? Head of DNC? Where did you get that idea? I have never heard that he ran for head of the DNC.
Oops, I meant to write Tim Ryan replacing Pelosi as House Minority Leader.
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I have watched what he has done. Ryan won big time in a state Hillary lost badly that she was supposed to win. Ryan can deliver Ohio, Michigan, Pa.
(D)'s have done nothing but lose ground under Pelosi. That is not going to stop. Maybe the crushing they are going to take in 2018 will finally wake them up.
Nancy Pelosi is not responsible for electing Democrats in congress, she is responsible for governing as minority leader.
the person responsible for electing Democrats to the House is Ben Ray Luján, and from 2011 to 2014, it was Steve Israel, and before that, Rahm Emmanuel.
And for the sake of saving time, we already had this discussion.
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No it doesnt, your argument is that you dont like Pelosi, but Ryan and Pelosi are ideologically the same. You wouldnt get new policies under him, you would just get a different speech
and No, it wasnt George W. Bush that got Democrats elected.
2006 is when Dems took the majority in the House.
Key
Blue, Democrats hold this seat in 2017
Red, Republicans hold this seat in 2017
Yellow, Dem lost seat in 2008 land slide victory for Democrats
Purple, redistricted/Other
Arizona 6th
Arizona 8th
there are now 9 Congressional districts in Arizona, there were 8 in 2006, Democrats after 2006 held 5 of them, they now hold 4.
California 11th Colorado 7th
Connecticut 2nd Connecticut 5th
Florida 16th Florida 22nd
Indiana 2nd
Indiana 8th
Indiana 9th
Iowa 1st Iowa 2nd
Kansas 2nd
Kentucky 3rd
Minnesota 1st
New Hampshire 1st
New Hampshire 2nd
New York 19th
New York 20th
New York 24th
these seats have no resemblance to what they were in 2006, the 20th is Kirsten Gillibrand's seat. A Democrat now holds that seat Number. The other 2 are now firmly held by Republicans.
North Carolina 11thThis was Health Shulers seat, it used to include most of Ashville, which is fairly Democratic, Survived 2010, Now it only includes the suburbs. Cook PVI took this district from +3 Dem to +10 Republican in 2012 after redistricting, Now +13 Republican.
Ohio 18th.
Pennsylvania 4th re elected in 2010, District "cracked" after Pennsylvania lost seats in reapportionment.
Pennsylvania 7th
Pennsylvania 8th
Pennsylvania 10th
Texas 22nd
Texas 23rd
Wisconsin 8th
* the 31st seat is Bernie Sanders being an independent and being elected to the Senate and a Democrat taking over his seat.
I dont think you can accurately argue that George Bush was the reason Dems gained the majority as Dems still hold 12 of those seats won that year out right. 4 Democrats losing in 2008 in a landmark year for Democrats and a couple more being redistricted out of their territory even after winning in 2010
202(districts Democrats held at height of Bush popularity)+12(districts Democrats won in 2006 and still hold today) = 214(addition of previous 2)+ 4(Democrats who survived 2010 but were redistricted in 2012).
Thats 218, a majority. Peter Welch not even included.
The years listed coincide with Pelosi as speaker.
The seats we lost in the time of her Speakership and here after were mostly conservative, and there is no way we are winning them back with a progressive as the leader of the DNC or Legislative branch of the party.
Cook says that Democrats actually holds the majority of the swing districts, our problem is Dems being packed in districts in the South.
Nancy Pelosi is not responsible for electing Democrats in congress, she is responsible for governing as minority leader.
the person responsible for electing Democrats to the House is Ben Ray Luján, and from 2011 to 2014, it was Steve Israel, and before that, Rahm Emmanuel.
And for the sake of saving time, we already had this discussion.
And we have seen the results and excuses. 2018 is going to be ugly.
“I’ll tell you what I heard from the Syrian people that I met with, Jake, walking down the street in Aleppo, in Damascus, hearing from them.
They expressed happiness and joy at seeing an American walking through their streets. But they also asked why the U.S. and its allies are providing support and arms to terrorist groups like al-Nusra, al-Qaida or al-Sham, ISIS who are on the ground there, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing the Syrian people.
They asked me, why is the United States and its allies supporting these terrorist groups who are destroying Syria when it was al-Qaeda who attacked the United States on 9/11, not Syria. I didn’t have an answer for them,” Gabbard said, noting the clear dismay the average Syrian has for the U.S. support of al-Qaeda – a proposition which every American should equally question.
Exactly how is Ryan corrupt? From what I've seen Ryan has done a good job of representing his constituents. He represents a very working class part of the state. He won in a state as a (D) that Trump won bigly.
Tim Ryan is the kind of Democrat that would help them win back the Midwest.
Unfortunately for Democrats, they seem content to stick with the "nothin' but the Coasts" strategy.
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