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Old 02-02-2017, 04:41 PM
 
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That's never been how this works. These jobs aren't political. These are just jobs to people and a way to make a living. Is Trump that scared of a mutiny or something. What a baby lol
They are political if the employees refuse execute lawful directives from their boss.

Also, is there a list of the signatories? I want to see if someone I know signed.
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Old 02-02-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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They are political if the employees refuse execute lawful directives from their boss.

Also, is there a list of the signatories? I want to see if someone I know signed.
Further in the article I posted, it stated that, while the diplomats are allowed to sign letter of dissent and voice their opinion, they do not fail to execute policy/law, even if they disagree.
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Old 02-02-2017, 04:45 PM
 
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Further in the article I posted, it stated that, while the diplomats are allowed to sign letter of dissent and voice their opinion, they do not fail to execute policy/law, even if they disagree.
We all know what will happen. They will drag their feet and try and sabotage trump policies and then claim there were honest mistakes or some such thing.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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We all know what will happen. They will drag their feet and try and sabotage trump policies and then claim there were honest mistakes or some such thing.
There was a dissent letter signed by 100 state employees 2 years ago regarding Obama's actions in Syria or lack of actions, they continued to do their jobs. The fact that over 1000 employees signed a dissent letter regarding Trumps policy indicating that this would damage our allies should make you worried, I know it will not.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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So, those good German government employees who initially spoke out against Hitler's policies also should have just kept quiet, because they worked for The State?

Got news for you: in this country, our government serves the people. The people are guaranteed freedom of speech. That includes government employees.

Obeying one's conscience is a higher virtue than is mindless obedience to the state, when and if the two come into conflict and reason cannot be made to prevail.
They also work at the pleasure of the president.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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Further in the article I posted, it stated that, while the diplomats are allowed to sign letter of dissent and voice their opinion, they do not fail to execute policy/law, even if they disagree.
I worked at Intel for quite a while, they have a similar theory on how things can work, its called "Disagree and commit". Basically it means you can disagree with how something is being done, but you follow the directions of management. And good managers know to pay attention to people who disagree. Good employees know to voice their disagreement in a polite fashion, but then get to work on the decision that was made by the team.

This is what this dissent letter is about. It makes sense, and is good for our country. Those who think we should fire these people, I have to ask-what do you have against our country?
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Old 02-02-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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you need a civics lesson matey.


capitalism and fascism can co-exist they are not mutually exclusive. In fact we can see both or all in many nations.

This bs you right-wingers push that anything you don't like is socialist is just stupid.
You sent/send will send your kids to school ... right? does that make you a socialist or a capitalist utilizing a social program in a mixed economy .....hmmm

Is this really too complex for you? really?
The two fascist nations were Germany and Italy. Fascist comes from an Italian word. Both Germany and Italy were first socialist, then became fascist. The NAZI party as an acronym come from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei translates to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. In German NSDAP translated to English as NAZI

Socialism is the only path to fascism or communism, which are merely extreme forms of socialism. Before going socialist the NAZI party was the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP translated to English as German Workers' Party. Converting a workers party to a socialist party allows no doubt that the NAZI party was socialist.

Forms of hybrid fascist / communist with limited free markets can be seen in the Spanish Franco regime, and in modern 21st century China. Both were still repressive socialist / fascist / communist regimes, but permitted where desired some free markets. Free markets in these countries is mostly an illusion as the government can take anything at any time without any due process.

NAZI Germany only permitted private companies that did the will of the government. Deprived people of free expression, closed the press, disarmed the population, and jailed then eventually killed dissidents. Violence is the tool of choice for the left, it has always been, and will likely always be.

If you don't understand this, and think to lecture me about understanding civics, we will never agree on much. Your premise is wrong, and your assumption about my understanding of civics is equally wrong.
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Old 02-02-2017, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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I worked at Intel for quite a while, they have a similar theory on how things can work, its called "Disagree and commit". Basically it means you can disagree with how something is being done, but you follow the directions of management. And good managers know to pay attention to people who disagree. Good employees know to voice their disagreement in a polite fashion, but then get to work on the decision that was made by the team.

This is what this dissent letter is about. It makes sense, and is good for our country. Those who think we should fire these people, I have to ask-what do you have against our country?
This was leaked to the press, maybe even designed by the press in part, to undermine Trump. If your Intel group worked with outside hostile agencies to undermine Intel corporation, do you really think upon being publicly exposed as trying to harm the company that your job would be secure?
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