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I've never once seen a group purchase from a business as a form of protest.
Having over $350 BILLION leave our economy each year in no way benefits us.
It's always a 2-way street. That's why suddenly stopping all travel like Trump did is so dangerous.
It takes time to move an industry back home, and in a super-competitive market like today's world is, time spend out of production is time to lose market share.
Trump just forced a lot of American businesses to make a decision they never wanted to; to either suddenly lose everything they've invested abroad and try to re-build domestically from scratch, while steadily losing market share after losing the big investment, or just moving the entire company overseas to where the factory is, where the exchange of goods and personnel won't be crippled.
The goods will move here a lot more easily than the people. Since Americans need to go to their factory, and the factory needs to send their people to America frequently, Trump screwed a lot of companies up. Many are less than 100 miles apart.
I did some work for the Fender guitar company a couple of years ago on a custom project. The guitar was designed in America, the design was sent to Mexico where the rough work was done, shipped back across the border to the American shop where the finish work was done, and then sent back to Mexico for the pickups to be installed and the pieces were set up.
By doing this, both factories were kept busy, and the final product could be priced over $1,000 less than if it had been done completely domestic.
It opened up a new price level for custom work that was more affordable for more guitar players on both sides of the border. (Fenders are extremely popular in Mexico.)
The American in charge of the project travelled with the guitars and a couple of his key workers went with him as supervisors and top-level craftsmen. They all trained floor workers on both sides of the border on the project's specs.
Fender still makes all-American made guitars for those who want them, and also makes all Mexican-made guitars for those who can't afford the all-American products. Fender pickups are made on both sides of the border, and both have their own fans. Some very expensive hand-made total customs that cost $4500 or more have Mexican pickups specified by the purchaser.
For beginners who want a Fender, they own another shop in China that has American supervisors who live there to keep the Fender quality up in their least expensive line. Every one of the Chinese guitars that arrives onshore is inspected and fine-tuned by an American. More Americans are employed for this job than any other.
That's the way a lot of American biz is these days.
Trump's sweeping travel ban just scared the pants off a lot of American businessmen. What country will be the next to be banned? No one knows.
When millions of dollars of investments are threatened, though, and a smooth working business model's profitability is also threatened, that's like getting shot at the same time by both barrels.
Any businessman with a brain in his head is not going to stand by and let an idiotic Executive Order drive him out of business. If he has to move his headquarters to stay in biz, that's what will happen.
I think that the OP and others who are for all this free trade and export of jobs to other countries are worried about their corporate profits being cut and their income slashed. They are afraid about good jobs being created in USA.
So now they are not for the labor but the consumer, who wants to buy the c**p $4.99 toaster being made in China and worried they may have to pay $8.99 for quality toasters? Give me a break.
I used to think that democrats cared about the working class in USA. Now it is all made up of leftists who work at Wall Street and big corp worried about their own pockets. No wonder HC got creamed at the election.
I think that the OP and others who are for all this free trade and export of jobs to other countries are worried about their corporate profits being cut and their income slashed. They are afraid about good jobs being created in USA.
So now they are not for the labor but the consumer, who wants to buy the c**p $4.99 toaster being made in China and worried they may have to pay $8.99 for quality toasters? Give me a break.
I used to think that democrats cared about the working class in USA. Now it is all made up of leftists who work at Wall Street and big corp worried about their own pockets. No wonder HC got creamed at the election.
Yes.
The Democrats used to be the party of labor. Now they are the party of capital and big business, just like the Republicans have always been.
The only difference between Republicans and Democrats these days is their stance on bullsh*t social issues like abortion, gay marriage, and transgender bathrooms.
You are operating with a different definition of the word save.
People who saw their livelihoods ruined by "free" trade do not see it a junk $4.99 toaster from wal mart as a savings but as a form of economic terrorism.
No. Economic terrorism is having to pay $79.99 for a toaster that's worth $4.99 just so somebody doesn't have to move away from "home" (oh ) or is too lazy to learn something new
I went to nursing school in my 40's. It's the hardest thing I've had to do.
I've lived in 9 different states and some of them were against my will because I was in the military.
No sympathy here.
So, now, we not only have to support the people on welfare, the ilegal immigrants (who are willing to work), and the self pitying ones who want to make $60,000/year with a GED
When Obama took over our economy was in a free fall and we had invaded two nations for no good reason and with no way way to pay for them.
9 out of the 10 manufacturing jobs that had vanished were due to automation and technology and that had been going on long before Obama took the oath of office. Not Obama's fault and there was no way he could fix this. Automation is the only way to make American labor competitive.
No matter what Trump tells you or how many tax cuts he offers or and how many regulations he rolls back, those low-skilled, union-wage jobs are gone and they aren't ever coming back.
There are a lot of middle-skilled jobs available, but that requires folks to get off their rumpled rumps and get down to their local community college and acquire some job skills.
It's lot easier to sit in your basement and whine about how Obama done you wrong and how you'd have a decent job if it wasn't those Mexicans.
This is exactly why you guys lost Pennsylvania,Ohio, so much of the midwest and the presidency, both the house and senate, state legislatures and governorships all across the country and maybe the control of the supreme court for a generation, its almost like you learned nothing
Reshoring Initiative is helping bring good, well-paying manufacturing jobs back to the United States by assisting companies to inshore jobs http://reshorenow.org/
Manufacturing needs minerals and mining and I have no doubt Donald trump will do something about not to mention substantial changes in tax, tariff, and trade policies.
Its funny just a few years ago the media was really optimistic about obamas plans to bring back manufacturing to the US, you constantly read about Apples new U.S.-made Macs and plants in Texas an Arizona, TESLAs new plant in nevada, Google building smartphones in Texas, Airbus in Alabama, tons of car companies in the south , Ford, GE, andCaterpillar manufacturing in America, etc.
Now they are suddenly so pessimistic?
Like restoring initiative put in one of its papers- asking conventional and neoclassical, laissez faire economists to shape a national manufacturing policy would be like asking lawyers to design a bridge
We should listen to the ny times, nate silver, salon, the economist, etc all tell us manufacturing jobs are never coming back? I mean , they have only been absolutely humiliated so far predicting this Hillary landslide and pretty much wrong the entire time predicting anything about trump
While NAFTA's overall financial impact has been generally positive, it has not lived up to the high expectations of its proponents. It has made many U.S. companies and investors rich - and their managements richer. But it has also cost many U.S. manufacturing workers their livelihoods while failing to raise living standards for most Mexicans. Any major market changes not dictated by market forces usually lead to both opportunity and loss, and this has happened with NAFTA.
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This is exactly why you guys lost Pennsylvania,Ohio, so much of the midwest and the presidency, both the house and senate, state legislatures and governorships all across the country and maybe the control of the supreme court for a generation, its almost like you learned nothing
Reshoring Initiative is helping bring good, well-paying manufacturing jobs back to the United States by assisting companies to inshore jobs Home | Reshoring Initiative
Manufacturing need minerals and mining and I have no doubt Donald trump will do something about not to mention substantial changes in tax, tariff, and trade policies.
Its funny just a few years ago the media was really optimistic about obamsa plans to bring back manufacturing to the US, you constantly read abou Apple new U.S.-made Macs and plants in Texas an Arizona, TESLAs new plant in nevada, Google building smartphones in Texas, Airbus in Alabama, tons of car companies in the south , Ford, GE, Caterpillar manufacturing in America.
Now they are suddenly so pessimistic?
Like restoring initiative put in one of its papers- asking conventional and neoclassical, laissez faire economists to shape a national manufacturing policy would be like asking lawyers to design a bridge
We should listen to the ny times, nate silver, salon, the economist, etc all tell us manufacturing jobs are never coming back? I mean , they have only been absolutely humiliated so far predicting this Hillary landslide and pretty much wrong the entire time about trump
Wow, what did I just read here^^^? Obviously not written by an honor student lol.
It's always a 2-way street. That's why suddenly stopping all travel like Trump did is so dangerous.
It takes time to move an industry back home, and in a super-competitive market like today's world is, time spend out of production is time to lose market share.
Trump just forced a lot of American businesses to make a decision they never wanted to; to either suddenly lose everything they've invested abroad and try to re-build domestically from scratch, while steadily losing market share after losing the big investment, or just moving the entire company overseas to where the factory is, where the exchange of goods and personnel won't be crippled.
The goods will move here a lot more easily than the people. Since Americans need to go to their factory, and the factory needs to send their people to America frequently, Trump screwed a lot of companies up. Many are less than 100 miles apart.
I did some work for the Fender guitar company a couple of years ago on a custom project. The guitar was designed in America, the design was sent to Mexico where the rough work was done, shipped back across the border to the American shop where the finish work was done, and then sent back to Mexico for the pickups to be installed and the pieces were set up.
By doing this, both factories were kept busy, and the final product could be priced over $1,000 less than if it had been done completely domestic.
It opened up a new price level for custom work that was more affordable for more guitar players on both sides of the border. (Fenders are extremely popular in Mexico.)
The American in charge of the project travelled with the guitars and a couple of his key workers went with him as supervisors and top-level craftsmen. They all trained floor workers on both sides of the border on the project's specs.
Fender still makes all-American made guitars for those who want them, and also makes all Mexican-made guitars for those who can't afford the all-American products. Fender pickups are made on both sides of the border, and both have their own fans. Some very expensive hand-made total customs that cost $4500 or more have Mexican pickups specified by the purchaser.
For beginners who want a Fender, they own another shop in China that has American supervisors who live there to keep the Fender quality up in their least expensive line. Every one of the Chinese guitars that arrives onshore is inspected and fine-tuned by an American. More Americans are employed for this job than any other.
That's the way a lot of American biz is these days.
Trump's sweeping travel ban just scared the pants off a lot of American businessmen. What country will be the next to be banned? No one knows.
When millions of dollars of investments are threatened, though, and a smooth working business model's profitability is also threatened, that's like getting shot at the same time by both barrels.
Any businessman with a brain in his head is not going to stand by and let an idiotic Executive Order drive him out of business. If he has to move his headquarters to stay in biz, that's what will happen.
Why are the foreign built guitars cheaper?
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No wonder HC got creamed at the election.
) or is too lazy to learn something new 
