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There was a long thread on this that has been closed.
Briefly, the 1,250 migrants are eligible for and have been granted refugee status. So no deportation. However, they did not apply or were admitted under the Australian refugee *program.* Rather, they are part of the boat flotilla who travelled overland, many through Bangladesh then set off from Indonesia. The human traffickers in those seas make the ones in the Mediterranean look like the Red Cross and substantial numbers were brutally treated or killed.
Desperate to stop the boats, Australia instituted a hard-line policy that even IF deemed eligible for refugee status none of the boat refugees wouldl be settled in Australia. Instead the government paid for them to be housed primarily in Papua New Guinea, a true h*ll hole. Some have been there for years. Several months ago PNG ruled that their status was unconstitutional (lack of freedom of movement) and told Australia to remove them.
Not wanting to in any way encourage the restart of the boat fleet, Australia and the US agreed to a "swap" of refugees. We were helping out an old ally. The US would take these refugees only after vetting to our satisfaction while Australia would admit some that would otherwise have been sent to the US (from Costa Rica).
Whew ... It had all been worked out until it blew up this week. This may just be a blip on the screen here but it is a major issue right now for the Australians.
If they had travelled through 'safe' countries then they are not refugees but economic migrants. I understand that Australia has a problem but I don't see why we would make it our problem.
The refugee camps are a consequence to a solution, a solution that the trump administration is pushing as a fix all for a humanitarian crisis.
These refugee camps are human right nightmares, as observed on the camps in australia or sudan, they are also hives for indoctrination and radicalization, it is certainly not a long view approach or a long term solution to the humanitarian crisis or the radical islam problem. At some point we have to realize that if you want to stop terrorism we have to stop being terrorist ourselves. Wars, drone attacks those are act of terror on a population that only reenforces the narrative of extreme islam which is used a tool by Arab leaders to keep their population subdued, and by bad guys to usurp power.
If the majority of people dont want an open, free, accepting society, then lets have that conversation, but the gas lighting around who deserves our compassion is exhausting.
The refugee camps are a consequence to a solution, a solution that the trump administration is pushing as a fix all for a humanitarian crisis.
These refugee camps are human right nightmares, as observed on the camps in australia or sudan, they are also hives for indoctrination and radicalization, it is certainly not a long view approach or a long term solution to the humanitarian crisis or the radical islam problem. At some point we have to realize that if you want to stop terrorism we have to stop being terrorist ourselves. Wars, drone attacks those are act of terror on a population that only reenforces the narrative of extreme islam which is used a tool by Arab leaders to keep their population subdued, and by bad guys to usurp power.
If the majority of people dont want an open, free, accepting society, then lets have that conversation, but the gas lighting around who deserves our compassion is exhausting.
we also have to stop the worldwide movement of refugees. that isn't helping the people in war torn areas of the world and in many ways it damages the host nations.
mass migration throughout history has been the single largest disrupter of society. period.
There was a long thread on this that has been closed.
Briefly, the 1,250 migrants are eligible for and have been granted refugee status. So no deportation. However, they did not apply or were admitted under the Australian refugee *program.*
So they did not go through the process but were accepted anyway and it becomes our problem? Then they are sent to a bad place and again it is our problem? Australia messed up top to bottom and it is our problem.
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I have been to Gailipoli in North western Turkey and all I saw was memorial to the Australian and New Zealand soldiers who fought the Turks, and suffered heavy causalities. They were fighting on behalf of the British not USA.
There is some reason Australia did not want these people and it is not because there is no room left in the country.
Must we welcome them in before we find out why a tolerant peaceful ally didn't want them?
I'm guessing here - based on articles I've read over the years.
1). Australia has a pretty strict immigration policy - oddly enough, they want people who bring needed skills OR job producers for their economy. They also have a law that won't allow "boat people" into the country, they are sent to the detention camps - which by the way, make GITMO look like the Ritz Carlton.
2). There is a sort of Proxy War occurring in Australia between the various Muslim sects. The Salafi support ISIS and are militant. There are many Muslim sects in Australia from all over the world - the Sunni from Lebanon are perhaps the largest, but also Shia from Lebanon. For those that don't know - the Shia from Lebanon are under the guidance of both Iran and the Terror group, Hezbullah/Hezbollah. The Sunni from Lebanon tend to affiliate more with the Wahhabi from Saudi Arabia. Hezbullah/Hezbollah fighters have been fighting ISIA and Sunni Rebels for years in Syria. Another Proxy war between Iran/Sunnis.
3). The Majority of the refugees in the detention camps that they made the "deal" on are Iranians. The Sunni leaders in Australia have a lot more pull with the Government and a larger population. From past reading - some of the Shiites from both Iran & Lebanon escaped the Theocracy in Iran and close to same in the Lebanon Shiite communities. Hezbollah controls all the Shiites in Lebanon and most of the Country at this point. As a general rule - I've found that Iranians and Lebanese are well educated.
I have not figured out why refugees/immigrants from Iran were put on this Visa List by the Obama Administration - the Trump Administration is using the List from Homeland Security/State Department from 2016.
The Australian government and Obama tried to push it through and have it in place before Obama left office in 2 months. This was an underhand dealing between both sides and I don't find fault with Trump wanting to review it.
I've been told there ways to review and discuss things without insulting your allies and slamming the phone in their ear?
The deal itself is not the issue. Any deal can be renegotiated. Trumps idiotic behavior is the issue.
Gee, I wonder who would subsidize all these refugees. Yeah, sure, let's take them. There's an infinite amount of resources in the US to subsidize every Tom, Dick, and Harry.
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