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Nonsense. The ACA deals with other issues like pre existing conditions, keeping college kids on parents ins, and other technical items for people who can afford ins on their own or get it through work .
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The ONLY way that cost can be contained in private healthcare is for patients to be required to pay up front, and those who don't have the money be turned away and refused treatment, treating healthcare like a DVD or a Pizza rather than what it actually is.
I don't know too many people who are ok with that....
The most efficient replacement is Medicare For All. No new government agency is required, it's an expansion of an existing program. Unfortunately Trump has ruled out single payer as a replacement.
Currently Medicare is woefully underfunded as is. Also most Americans pay less than 50% of their healthcare premiums due to their employer or spouse's employer footing most of the bill. Do you wish to explode the already 100 trillion dollar unfunded liability or further burden the working middle class?
Currently Medicare is woefully underfunded as is. Also most Americans pay less than 50% of their healthcare premiums due to their employer or spouse's employer footing most of the bill. Do you wish to explode the already 100 trillion dollar unfunded liability or further burden the working middle class?
Single payer can work if done right . Somehow most every other non 3rd world country in the world manages it, but it is somehow beyond the self proclaimed greatest country on Earth to do what these others can .
Removing profit and greed from the system is the first step , but one which can never happen in a system based on making a profit , even at the expense of patient health if needed.
The ONLY way that cost can be contained in private healthcare is for patients to be required to pay up front, and those who don't have the money be turned away and refused treatment, treating healthcare like a DVD or a Pizza rather than what it actually is.
I don't know too many people who are ok with that....
Please quit talking about costs and business until you know what you are talking about. We know for a fact that competition lowers costs and increases quality.
“All the elements of Rand’s plan are moving us in the right direction toward patient-centered health-care, lower costs, bigger pools to insure everyone and cover preexisting conditions and I think that many members will look favorably on it,” Brat told TheDCNF. “From what I’ve seen so far this is the most free-market approach to health care that will truly bend down the cost curve.”
South Carolina Rep. Mark Sanford said he’s considering introducing a companion bill in the House, noting he still needs to have discussions with HFC members about co-sponsoring the legislation.
I was ahead of the curve on this. The GOP after all the talk of repeal, repeal, are softening up and realizing what a monstrosity and disaster it would be to remove all of Obamacare altogether.
Well, then, good call.
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And replace it with what?
How about replacing it with nothing?
Why not entice the States to set up their own plans?
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and there you have it- the actual plan in a nutshell...hope you don't know anybody with a prior condition or someone who exhausted their lifetime limits...I guess the cancer was their fault, right?
How much money should be spent on one individual?
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The most efficient replacement is Medicare For All. No new government agency is required, it's an expansion of an existing program.
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... which is the correct take.
Medicare for all would require increasing the HI payroll tax from 1.45% for employer and employee to 12+% for employer and employee.
I thought Liberals were opposed to regressive taxes like payroll taxes?
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Please quit talking about costs and business until you know what you are talking about. We know for a fact that competition lowers costs and increases quality.
I do know what I'm talking about. Currently, doctors have to treat everyone in this country regardless of ability to pay, which means demand exceeds supply, which means rather than just accepting less money, the providers soak the people who can pay to make up the difference.
If those who couldn't pay were just denied treatment, that would lower demand which would lower the cost.
And in a field like medicine, which is labor intensive, the cost could only go down so much, before it would affect the salaries of doctors and nurses, which would then cause more people who would've gone into medicine to go into different fields instead, so then you get into a supply problem again and the cost goes right back up. No one will want to be a doctor if it would only pay $40-50k/yr.
I do know what I'm talking about. Currently, doctors have to treat everyone in this country regardless of ability to pay, which means demand exceeds supply, which means rather than just accepting less money, the providers soak the people who can pay to make up the difference.
If those who couldn't pay were just denied treatment, that would lower demand which would lower the cost.
And in a field like medicine, which is labor intensive, the cost could only go down so much, before it would affect the salaries of doctors and nurses, which would then cause more people who would've gone into medicine to go into different fields instead, so then you get into a supply problem again and the cost goes right back up. No one will want to be a doctor if it would only pay $40-50k/yr.
But would you be a Doctor for $100K to $150K? We've had people complaining about fast food workers wanting 15 bucks an hour, but then never complain about Doctors who make millions. How about letting nurses and physician assistants write prescriptions? That'll eliminate a lot of doctor visits!
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