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Old 02-06-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stevek64 View Post


For a "stupid" guy, he sure made tons of money, built a successful business very few can even dream of doing, and is the POTUS. "Stupid" people don't get his far in life and would have been spit out of these machines a long, long time ago. And if you still want to stick to he's "stupid", I'd sure love to be so stupid.


IF Dad gave $400,000,000 to his child - and learn about bankruptcy laws - anyone could.

Come on now.

 
Old 02-06-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: MA
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Liberals still wonder why they lost?


I think being in the middle of the road, I can see that.


I was not for any of these 2 clowns because both of them are as corrupt as it gets.


But the country is not used to moving at a fast pace. The people expect big promises with no delivery (hope and change).


The people are used to politicians BSing them and then do nothing. This one is doing it the extreme opposite and since the liberal lost and I have always said that they feel entitled that they know better than anyone else, they become crybabies when they lose.


That's why they are protesting and trying to stay relevant. In doing so, they are trying t block everything Trump does (the right wing tried to do that with Obama but he would just veto their asses).


Who is blocking airports? causing disturbances around? just because they lost?


Both sides are hypocrites. Bernie had some ideas that he campaigned on similar to trump but endorsed Hilary who is a total opposite of what he stood for. Bernie was a total sell out just like Warren.


Now with the media on their side, they want to make it so that Trump fails. they were ok with Obama not keeping his promises because 'he was the king' who wanted to be loved by the world (screw the American people's suffering).


I sat at least this idiot in the white house is doing something.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stevek64 View Post
For a "stupid" guy, he sure made tons of money, built a successful business very few can even dream of doing, and is the POTUS. "Stupid" people don't get this far in life and would have been spit out of these machines a long, long time ago. And if you still want to stick to he's "stupid", I'd sure love to be so stupid.
Well, that's just the problem. He may be a good con man. But you have to understand that many people, myself included, see right through acts like that. But if you call the ability to steal money from taxpayers, bondholders, investors and contractors "smart" and would aspire to such intelligence, that's fine.

When I was 16 I learned about the concept of "right livelihood" - which means that one should center their work and life around actually doing things which don't harm others. From that day on I've been in business or myself and never did any of the underhanded things Don and Con pulled. I live in Atlantic City when he took our money (taxpayers) and left us with a ghost town.

Maybe it's my futurist tendencies - but these days "smart" in business is often used to describe sustainable practices and innovation where the results are win-win.

Donnie is from that old school.....of preying upon people and taking advantage of anyone and anything he can to line his own pockets.

Frankly, this is not what I teach my kids (or my business students) and I sincerely hope that it's not part of the "American ethic" going forward.

So he's smart like a snake or a fox - neither of which can speak a word, but can survive in various ways by sneaking around.

Forgive me for attempting to judge the POTUS more against the good and the great of history rather than by how much cash they can extract from old ladies who they bus to their casinos.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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No....the buck stops here, period. There's always a way to negotiate...again, for those who are true leaders. Here's a big hint why it didn't happen:

Obama most polarizing president in modern history - CNNPolitics.com ...
True ... but the question is WHY Obama was so polarizing.

My take is that part of the no-holds-barred Republican pushback on health care was simply because they KNEW there simply is no low-cost comprehensive option that provides health care for all Americans without general funding. Republican legislators aren't ignorant of the issues. Various health care proposals have been under consideration for years.

The ACA opened a Pandora's box that Republicans did not want opened. They've got it now. (And I say that without relish - it's too important an issue for too many.)
 
Old 02-06-2017, 06:55 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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The GOP spent 8 years obstructing President Obama. And if that wasn't enough they refused to hold hearings on his Supreme Court nominee. What was your reaction to that? I bet you were all for that weren't you?

Righties ARE a hypocritical bunch aren't they?
Actually it was only 6 years since he had both Houses the first 2. In 2010 and 2012 the voters elected Repubs to block Obama after he got the ACA passed.

Congress was just doing what the voters wanted. Sad that Obama could never compromise. He'd rather do nothing than work with the other party.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Boston
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liberals have to think of Trump as a King and they are his loyal knaves.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Liberals still wonder why they lost?


I think being in the middle of the road, I can see that.


I was not for any of these 2 clowns because both of them are as corrupt as it gets.


But the country is not used to moving at a fast pace. The people expect big promises with no delivery (hope and change).


The people are used to politicians BSing them and then do nothing. This one is doing it the extreme opposite and since the liberal lost and I have always said that they feel entitled that they know better than anyone else, they become crybabies when they lose.


That's why they are protesting and trying to stay relevant. In doing so, they are trying t block everything Trump does (the right wing tried to do that with Obama but he would just veto their asses).


Who is blocking airports? causing disturbances around? just because they lost?


Both sides are hypocrites. Bernie had some ideas that he campaigned on similar to trump but endorsed Hilary who is a total opposite of what he stood for. Bernie was a total sell out just like Warren.


Now with the media on their side, they want to make it so that Trump fails. they were ok with Obama not keeping his promises because 'he was the king' who wanted to be loved by the world (screw the American people's suffering).


I sat at least this idiot in the white house is doing something.
Yeah he's doing something alright....One bumbling mess after another....All I've seen so far is talk, oops, tweets, complaints, lies and insults, but no solid results on anything.

The man is not fit to run a dog show, much less a country.....
 
Old 02-06-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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IF Dad gave $400,000,000 to his child - and learn about bankruptcy laws - anyone could.

Come on now.
$400,000,000 loan? Nice drama there/you got carried away with a few too many zeros there. And businesses borrow money all the time in the form of loans from banks, that's what makes the world of capitalism go. So trump did it from his father...smart move given his father was willing to help his kid/son out and he was able to. Parents help their kids out all the time/what they can afford to help their kids out. What's wrong with that?

Though on the topic, the vast majority of people who fall into money, via inheritance or loans or whatever, don't know how to handle it. Examples abound all over the place. The amount of people who fall into money, it goes out the door plus more soon after. Check the savings/investment rates/retirement savings of the average american, even those who make good money as further proof to this reality. Long term financial planning for most is tomorrows lunch. So yes, trump did something unusual with his dad's loan....most people would have bought a house, various trinkets, a few cars, etc. and it would have been gone in no time.

As for bankruptcy laws, it's just that.....laws.....are we going to argue now that laws shouldn't be followed that exist for business to use? If you don't like the laws, then you are free to talk to your representatives and ask them to change them but they won't listen to you anyways.

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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Well, that's just the problem. He may be a good con man. But you have to understand that many people, myself included, see right through acts like that. But if you call the ability to steal money from taxpayers, bondholders, investors and contractors "smart" and would aspire to such intelligence, that's fine.

When I was 16 I learned about the concept of "right livelihood" - which means that one should center their work and life around actually doing things which don't harm others. From that day on I've been in business or myself and never did any of the underhanded things Don and Con pulled. I live in Atlantic City when he took our money (taxpayers) and left us with a ghost town.

Maybe it's my futurist tendencies - but these days "smart" in business is often used to describe sustainable practices and innovation where the results are win-win.

Donnie is from that old school.....of preying upon people and taking advantage of anyone and anything he can to line his own pockets.

Frankly, this is not what I teach my kids (or my business students) and I sincerely hope that it's not part of the "American ethic" going forward.

So he's smart like a snake or a fox - neither of which can speak a word, but can survive in various ways by sneaking around.

Forgive me for attempting to judge the POTUS more against the good and the great of history rather than by how much cash they can extract from old ladies who they bus to their casinos.
You seem to know trump well. Or are very trusting of a media that I/the vast majority of people don't trust and believe what is reported by them on people. Or perhaps clairvoyant to know him so well/are able to sift out what's reported as fact vs fiction in a media that I can't figure out what reality anymore. If so, test.....winning lottery number for this week in your state? What stock will gain 10 fold this year?

And if he "took" any money from atlantic city and you have proof that he broke the law/you seem to be inferring that, authorities would probably love to see your proof.

Regardless, yes, I feel the same as you that people should certainly be honest in their dealings in life but unless I know first hand someone is doing illegal/deceitful things, and have 100% proof, I don't judge people by reports in the media, "he said she said", and certainly from innuendo which is rampant today. And given the state of our media and all the various agendas, people jockeying for power in the game of politics, it's very, very difficult to find the truth so I hold the judgement and refrain from the pitchfork type insane atmosphere we are seeing going on now.

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True ... but the question is WHY Obama was so polarizing.

My take is that part of the no-holds-barred Republican pushback on health care was simply because they KNEW there simply is no low-cost comprehensive option that provides health care for all Americans without general funding. Republican legislators aren't ignorant of the issues. Various health care proposals have been under consideration for years.

The ACA opened a Pandora's box that Republicans did not want opened. They've got it now. (And I say that without relish - it's too important an issue for too many.)
Well sure, politics is a rough/tumble game of agendas, power, $, making donors happy is way up there of course, etc, but to bring it all together again is the job of the president, one of the main tasks in my view, to man/woman up and stick with it all and obtain/reach consensus. Obama seemed to give up quick on that aspect, starting calling out the republicans in a passive aggressive/smug way, the other side reacts, so how can there be any reasoning in that environment? Trump can be that way to a degree but I think he's the type if the other side is open to a bit of talking and they drop the rhetoric like I see in people like schumer, he'll jump in and work with them.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Obama had 8 years and failed .
Now Trump has been in office a few weeks and libs are calling him a failure. Funny.
Here we go again with the attempt at misdirection via the Obama blame game. That's what's funny.
 
Old 02-06-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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Trump's 20% Mexico tariff -- FAIL

ACA immediate repeal and replace -- FAIL

Muslim ban, halted by courts -- FAIL

Trump EO on imaginary voter fraud, stalled -- FAIL

Trump is not off to a good start. Failing bigly. Sad.
To put things in perspective, you were one of the biggest supporters of Hillary and repeatedly stated that Trump had absolutely no chance of winning. So, that's about how credible your opinion is about Trump how much this thread is worth.
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