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Old 02-07-2017, 05:35 AM
 
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so maybe the race to the bottom has consequences? just cutting regulations and rights and expecting it all to work out due to the benevolence on the 1%ers doesn't work? It won't trickle down?
they call themselves "job creators" now.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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A middle wage job in TX is defined as a job paying $11.20 an hour? Really?



Report: TX Middle Class Shrinking - KTSA
Might want to look at your own state before pointing at others...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mercu...?client=safari

It's a nationwide trend. It's why Trump was elected.
You're ability to step back and look at the big picture is severely lacking.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Sigh. I don't know where that article (or you) comes up with that figure as "middle wage" for the state of Texas. I gave several reputable sources refuting that figure. Of course, you do have to actually click on the link to read them.

And then you have to, well, read them.

And by the way, I also gave links (to the study in the OP by the way) that show that these middle wage jobs in Texas are being replaced by HIGH WAGE jobs for the most part.

http://forabettertexas.org/images/EO...tion_Brief.pdf
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I find that hard to believe. I'm a native and all the evidence save your article shows that middle wage jobs are being replaced by either more middle wage jobs or low wage jobs. The employment rate is high, but the jobs don't usually pay much here. And you can live on less here than in other states, but the cost of rent and home ownership has increased by a large amount in the last few years.

https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwes...ages_texas.htm
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I find that hard to believe. I'm a native and all the evidence save your article shows that middle wage jobs are being replaced by either more middle wage jobs or low wage jobs. The employment rate is high, but the jobs don't usually pay much here. And you can live on less here than in other states, but the cost of rent and home ownership has increased by a large amount in the last few years.

https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwes...ages_texas.htm
I posted link after link that verified every claim I made so I'm sorry if you don't believe those claims but there they are.

And many more middle wage jobs in Texas are being replaced by HIGH paying, high skilled jobs than by low paying, low skilled jobs. The growth of high paying jobs in Texas is three times the growth rate of low paying, low skilled jobs.

I've already posted the links to that information several times so I won't bother doing it again. Not sure where you live but it's very true of where I live in northeast Texas.

And in spite of the cost of homes going up, homes in Texas as well as the cost of living are less expensive in general than in many other regions of the US. I've posted those links as well.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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A middle wage job in TX is defined as a job paying $11.20 an hour? Really?



Report: TX Middle Class Shrinking - KTSA
They can say thank you to illegal aliens for that! Illegals aliens drive down wages and TX is loaded with them. Just look at what the construction industry has become: Construction Booming In Texas, But Many Workers Pay Dearly : NPR

New jobs, who were they going to? http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas

I can attest to the 3rd world conditions and the plague illegal aliens are to a state having lived in two states that were burdened by their presence!
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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A middle wage job in TX is defined as a job paying $11.20 an hour? Really?



Report: TX Middle Class Shrinking - KTSA

That is what importing cheap labor from Mexico does. I realize you struggle with your 95 IQ , but more competition tends to drive down wages. So does disorganized labor. That's why labor used to form unions to prevent management from playing people off against each other.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Average pay for a garbage collector: $43,000 a year - or $16.04 per hour.
10: Garbage Collector - 10 High-paying Dirty Jobs | HowStuffWorks
$43k is roughly $20 bucks an hour according to my calculation.

$43/12 months/4.33 average weeks per month/40 hours per week.

$16.04 will gross about $33k.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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$43k is roughly $20 bucks an hour according to my calculation.

$43/12 months/4.33 average weeks per month/40 hours per week.

$16.04 will gross about $33k.
Maybe they work more than 40 hours a week. I don't know - I got that figure from some source on average salaries for various jobs.

Anyway, $43k is the national average for garbage collectors. Considering that absolutely no education other than probably a GED is required for this job, that's not such bad pay.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:10 AM
 
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Texas will be fine. Lots of conservatives heading there. People are tending to herd toward meccas for their beliefs. Thus CA and NYC, which should not even exist under the belief system of the GOP, are thriving.

The taxes AND REGULATIONS in NYC are beyond belief. Amazingly awful regs there.

Texas is not that low in wages. Try FL or MS. I know a degreed EE earning right under 40K in his field in FL.
Yes, Texas IS THAT LOW in wages. It's very low.

And the cost of living may be fairly cheap, but that reflects desirability. Where it's worth living at in Texas, it ain't cheap. If it's cheap, you don't wanna live there.
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Old 02-08-2017, 01:21 AM
 
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Yes, Texas IS THAT LOW in wages. It's very low.

And the cost of living may be fairly cheap, but that reflects desirability. Where it's worth living at in Texas, it ain't cheap. If it's cheap, you don't wanna live there.
Well yeah, there's less NIMBYs to deal with. Look how the bay area in CA is trying to build more housing while the NIMBYs do everything in there power to stop it from happening.
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