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Old 02-07-2017, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Are you serious? Assad has a civil war going on in his country started by The United States.
Blame America when everything else fails.

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What happens during wars?
Let me guess, you think there is torture and mass hangings of prisoners in every war?
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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The silly liberals should take notice of what Assad and other REAL dictators do with their political opponents - then hopefully they'll feel stupid for calling President Trump a "dictator" and stop their silly hyperbolic rhetoric
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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But But - Trump says we are bad too. So Assad is bad, Putin is bad, and Trump is bad. This makes it OK to all be friends and help each other kill more innocents.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Animals will be animals.......
Yes, but is does not mean you have to get in bed with them.

This is the kind of ally Putin has, and the kind of ally Trump wants to have, and it is quite telling his supporters are all for it.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: England
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At the time we had bigger fish to fry. France was lost in record time and the U.K. (You know, the country that we got our language from) was next.
No we weren't. Try reading a history book that isn't American. France fell to the Germans early in 1940. You didn't arrive to help in my country until 1942. Going on two years after the fall of France. Try reading why Hitler attacked the Russians in June 1941, instead of invading Britain. We saved ourselves, with no help from American soldiers.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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Blame America when everything else fails.

Let me guess, you think there is torture and mass hangings of prisoners in every war?
Well, probably not in Grenada, but certainly in any real war with a body county - there are war crimes of major proportion. Do you think the 2-3+ million who died in Vietnam were all soldiers?

Now - some may prefer mass B-52 drops or mass gunship or machine gun work. But, remember, hanging became the norm because it is quicker than the aforesaid guns.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I hate to break it to you, but no, they do not have to torture and murder their prisoners any more than the Nazis had to murder Jews. And nor do we have to get in bed with torturers and murderers like Trump wants to do.
Wars are barbaric. All throughout history, wars have been barbaric. But barbarism is never the goal, is isn't an end. Barbarism is a means to an end.


A terrorist isn't someone who just wants to hurt other people, for no other reason than to hurt them. Terrorism is an act of desperation. And likewise, barbarism is an act of desperation.

Assad doesn't wake up in the morning wanting to hang and torture people. And Obama, and Bush, and Putin, don't either. But Obama did not close Guantanamo Bay. And Obama continued to send prisoners off, basically to be tortured, in other countries, to escape US jurisdiction.

This is one of my favorite videos, please watch it...

Respect My Authoritah-The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - Video Clip | Comedy Central



The United States will do what it believes is necessary to protect its national security, and to serve its national interests. We can have a debate about whether some of our actions are actually necessary. But my entire point is this, the United States is not above barbarism(we have displayed it plenty of times over our history), and neither is anyone else.


If the United States had to choose between using barbarism, and being weak, or being destroyed, it would use barbarism, period. The only reason we pretend to be above it, is because we are so powerful.


If Assad is seemingly being barbaric, it is because he feels he has no other choice.


The situation in Syria is just bad. On one side, you have Assad, and on the other, Isis. If Assad were to lose tomorrow, what happens to Syria?


You are trying to make the world into some simplistic dichotomy of "good" and "evil", or "right" and "wrong".

But is America "good"? And is Russia "evil"?

Look at the history of this country, was America good? Is America good now? By what standard?


I would prefer to live in a world without people like Assad, and Putin. But it isn't as if America is full of angels either. Every country in the world is trying to further their national interests.


If the security of America depended on rounding up some ethnic group, and either sending them to prison, or sending them to camps, or killing them off entirely, we would, and we have. We are not above it. And neither is anyone else.


The sooner you realize that, the better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOXl0Ll_t9s&t=1s

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Old 02-07-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Assad is medical doctor ......
So was Josef Mengele. Did it make him a good guy.

No, their actions define them, and their actions are torture and murder.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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Yes, but is does not mean you have to get in bed with them.

This is the kind of ally Putin has, and the kind of ally Trump wants to have, and it is quite telling his supporters are all for it.
The hangings happened when Obama was running things and Hillary was his Sec of State.

The mess there is their responsibility.

Blame them. Didn't Obama say he had a "Red Line"?
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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No we weren't. Try reading a history book that isn't American. France fell to the Germans early in 1940. You didn't arrive to help in my country until 1942. Going on two years after the fall of France. Try reading why Hitler attacked the Russians in June 1941, instead of invading Britain. We saved ourselves, with no help from American soldiers.
Do they really teach that in the UK these days?

No doubt Hitler didn't yet have the weapons and setup to attack and occupy your little island. But there is also no doubt that without American material and other help you'd probably have had to make a treaty with old Adolf.

Please read and adjust your views:
https://history.state.gov/milestones...945/lend-lease

"The United Kingdom, in particular, desperately needed help, as it was short of hard currency to pay for the military goods, food, and raw materials it needed from the United States."

"On September 2, 1940, President Roosevelt signed a “Destroyers for Bases” agreement."

"In December 1940, Churchill warned Roosevelt that the British were no longer able to pay for supplies. On December 17, President Roosevelt proposed a new initiative that would be known as Lend-Lease. The United States would provide Great Britain with the supplies it needed to fight Germany, but would not insist upon being paid immediately"

You are very welcome, my friend.

As far as "American Soldiers", I think a bunch of Yanks even volunteered to fly in the RAF - before we declared war......let alone the brave men who shipped all that stuff to you...many who now lay at the bottom of the sea.

Talk about ingrates.
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