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Old 02-12-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Micronesia
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The biggest issue is there are too many dumb Americans who don't know their history. We are relieving the late 19th/early 20th century all over again.
Your incorrect assumption is wholly wrong while being harmful and disrespectful to many fellow Americans, both new immigrants and natives.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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Yea.... like the Irish and Italians assimilated in the first generation? There were no problems wirth them right?????????
Who cares? They were Europeans with no recent and long history of religious wars of conquest against Europeans.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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The biggest issue is there are too many dumb Americans who don't know their history. We are relieving the late 19th/early 20th century all over again.
If you think that, then you should be against driving us there through unfettered immigration of third world no-skill welfare recipients who don't integrate and / or require perpetual strict policing to keep their crime rates in check. People will always respond to changes that fracture their communities.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Again Brexit had little if anything to do with Muslims. It was to stop the immigration of the Poles and such.

Same kind of issue as the Trump use of NAFTA and such as a whipping boy. The lower ranks of society in Britain felt they were being done in by immigrants from Europe...not the middle east. So they demand what the EU will not give...the right to limit immigration within the EU.

What Muslims conflicts exist in Britain are more due to the results of the old colonial regimes and the rights of some from the old colonies.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yea.... like the Irish and Italians assimilated in the first generation? There were no problems wirth them right?????????


There is a problem when you judge history using today's moral standard.

Back in the early 1800s, the country was largely Anglo-Saxon Protestant in heritage. You didnít have many Italians or Poles etc. So the Irish stood out more than they do now. Part of it was the fact that most were Catholic, which was seen as a sinister, foreign religion.

During the Potato Famine, many penniless Irish came over and competed with native workers for jobs. But a lot of the discrimination went away as the Irish assimilated and some made progress.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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Middle Easterners can't even assimilate into other Middle Eastern countries after 5 generations.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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LOL..... That was entirely untrue. The Irish and Catholic immigrants segregated themselves and created their ethnic enclaves.

Read a book..... Christ.....
The Irish and Catholic enclaves as you put it were not "no go" zones such as Europe has in every city where they exist. The Irish and Catholic immigrants fully assimilated into American society. In France and Germany we are into the 3rd generation of large numbers of Muslims and they haven't even begun to assimilate yet. The entire Commonwealth of Massachusetts is one of those enclaves of yours because the Irish are the largest ethnic group and Catholics the largest religious group. Or is Massachusetts not assimilated into the US in your opinion? Is Massachusetts a no go zone because of all those scary Irish and Catholics? Yet Europe is full of no go zones.
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The Irish and Catholic enclaves as you put it were not "no go" zones such as Europe has in every city where they exist.
Europe has "no go" zones? Really? That's news to the European posters here at C-D who actually live in Europe.

A thread in the Europe forum: What is the worst Islamic ghetto/no-go zone in Europe?
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:25 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Who cares? They were Europeans with no recent and long history of religious wars of conquest against Europeans.
If you're saying what I think you're saying, you think it's a kind of redress to bring in people with a "recent and long history of religious wars of conquest against Europeans."

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Again Brexit had little if anything to do with Muslims. It was to stop the immigration of the Poles and such.

Same kind of issue as the Trump use of NAFTA and such as a whipping boy. The lower ranks of society in Britain felt they were being done in by immigrants from Europe...not the middle east. So they demand what the EU will not give...the right to limit immigration within the EU.

What Muslims conflicts exist in Britain are more due to the results of the old colonial regimes and the rights of some from the old colonies.
I guess you ignored my point above. The immediate effect of the EU was to allow Poles and other Eastern Europeans in. But the perception was, to my mind, that with Continental Europe being swamped by Muslim immigration at some point Britain would have to "step up to the plate." Frankly I'm worried that the U.S. may have a similar problem with immigrants brought into Europe; that we may be under Marshall-plan type pressure to "lend a hand."

Brexit at least keeps one step further away from becoming part of Europe's problems.
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, you think it's a kind of redress to bring in people with a "recent and long history of religious wars of conquest against Europeans."

I guess you ignored my point above. The immediate effect of the EU was to allow Poles and other Eastern Europeans in. But the perception was, to my mind, that with Continental Europe being swamped by Muslim immigration at some point Britain would have to "step up to the plate." Frankly I'm worried that the U.S. may have a similar problem with immigrants brought into Europe; that we may be under Marshall-plan type pressure to "lend a hand."

Brexit at least keeps one step further away from becoming part of Europe's problems.
Your point was simply not true. The issues was well joined and well known in England. It was the influx of workers from particularly Poland and similar - not the Muslims. And it was a low level gut issue. The lower end of English society thought they were being overwhelmed by low salary and hard working EU immigrants. And there is at least some truth to it.

There are Muslims conflicts in England but they tend to deal with enclaves of immigrants from the old colonies.

There actually was no reason Britain "would have to step up to the plate" unless they chose to which was unlikely. There was no obligation or even threat of one on the British.
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