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Old 02-07-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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DeVos wants to give you, the parents, more control over your children's education. Why is that a bad thing?
Because "school choice" is just a campaign slogan that was designed to give low-information voters something shiny and attractive to rally around.

What DeVos wants is to put religion (more specifically, Christianity) in schools, and to make everyone pay for it through vouchers. Framing it as "more control" for parents is just the sales pitch, not the goal.

Yes, school "choice" is really about using tax dollars to fund religious education. By couching it as a parent's individual choice, the government can do an end-run around the separation of church and state.

It's also about the Community Renewal Tax Relief Act, which allows hedge funds (DeVos' crowd) to take advantage of huge tax breaks by investing in charter schools in urban areas, while simultaneously charging interest on any amounts that they lend to the charter schools they back.

And it's about more relaxed oversight, which allows charter schools to: (a) continue receiving taxpayer funds while underperforming; and (b) control the student population by setting acceptance standards that have the effect of excluding certain demographics.

In Michigan, DeVos' stomping grounds, state law has allowed for-profit charter schools to take tax dollars without financial oversight. There are numerous examples (many of them reported in the Detroit Free Press) of private management companies funneling money to friends, relatives, and business partners by overpaying them as "vendors." At those schools, pretending to educate children is just a means to the end, and it's a race to the bottom - who can deliver the cheapest, crappiest education while eking out the most profit?

Sure, most dyed-in-the-wool Republicans would rather see that waste go to these shrewd "businessmen" than unions, because... I don't know... "free market," I guess. But what happens when the charter schools fail to outperform public schools, as is the case in Michigan? There are certainly high-performing charter schools there, but others have failed miserably despite having more than a decade to show improvement. You know what else follows that pattern? The current public school system.

In the end, after using children as guinea pigs, school choice advocates have not found the secret to better education for all. They've just found a way to funnel more money into their own pockets while delivering the same mixed results as the existing "education monopoly."

 
Old 02-07-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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DeVos wants to give you, the parents, more control over your children's education.


 
Old 02-07-2017, 08:19 PM
 
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Great! I mean I was always worried about them grizzly bears. With many kids packing tuna fish in their lunchboxes they get to be a big problem.
 
Old 02-07-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Finally the Senate gets things done. Another secretary is confirmed today. Now the education department can get to shining things up. Big cities are surely looking forward to new charter schools helping to provide much needed competition. Chicago school teachers that served over 2 years were called dinosaurs.

Betsy DeVos confirmed as Trump's education secretary; vice president casts historic tie-breaking vote - CNNPolitics.com
Her little experiment did not work when she ran it before so it will be different this time? Leave Millions of children behind, brilliant idea. There was a day when someone was considered to be a conservative because when something was broken they did not cast it aside they fixed it, I see conservatism is now dead in America.
 
Old 02-07-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: NOVA
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Arrow Fix broken schools

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Her little experiment did not work when she ran it before so it will be different this time? Leave Millions of children behind, brilliant idea. There was a day when someone was considered to be a conservative because when something was broken they did not cast it aside they fixed it, I see conservatism is now dead in America.
Many urban school districts have less than 50% graduation rates.

Big Cities Battle Dismal Graduation Rates - CBS News

To continue pushing typical teacher unions seeking more money without any accountability hasn't worked, isn't working and won't work. Providing other options, whether they are charter schools or just free choice to pick a different school, should be an option to taxpayers.

The schools that are listed in the link continue to get worse. Pretending the current labor unions of teachers is helping is naive.
 
Old 02-08-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: NOVA
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Exclamation Democrats continue to ignore urban schools - ethical bankrupt

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We pay high taxes to live in an area with great public schools. Private schools near me are
30 -40K per year. My guess is that a voucher would not cover that.

Have four more years to get through. Hoping we make it before she destroys everything.
So because your high school district is doing well, you're against all charter schools, throughout the nation.

Why you contemplate a school that is $30-$40k per year, every child that goes to a high school with less than a 50% graduation rate is seeking an answer.

Democrats in urban schools continue to watch graduation rates go down and blame money, parents, TV, politics, everything but allowing competition in the form of charter schools - or EVEN open enrollment.

If a child is able to AND willing <<< that's key<<< to bus to a nicer school, democrats don't like that either. Not mandatory bussing to even out demographics but allowing poorer school's students to get out of their horrible schools.

These are families that don't even make $30-$40k a year vs. Even thinking of paying that in tuition. Democrats pointed to one state where charter schools are equal to public schools in Michigan as reasons to shelve the program. Working great in new York city until democrats shut charter schools down.

Detroit has a high school graduation rate under 30%. That's right, its that horrible. To sit and wallow in that school district while waiting for real education change is not an option.

Here is a summary of democrats slam on children across America by being so ingrained with the teachers union that heads are unable to make independent decisions. Good thing for America that a NON-UNION leader was finally approved to lead the education department:

The Democratic Party has lost its mind
 
Old 02-08-2017, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Many urban school districts have less than 50% graduation rates.

Big Cities Battle Dismal Graduation Rates - CBS News

To continue pushing typical teacher unions seeking more money without any accountability hasn't worked, isn't working and won't work. Providing other options, whether they are charter schools or just free choice to pick a different school, should be an option to taxpayers.

The schools that are listed in the link continue to get worse. Pretending the current labor unions of teachers is helping is naive.
You fix the issue, not abandon it?
 
Old 02-08-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Finally the Senate gets things done. Another secretary is confirmed today. Now the education department can get to shining things up. Big cities are surely looking forward to new charter schools helping to provide much needed competition. Chicago school teachers that served over 2 years were called dinosaurs.

Betsy DeVos confirmed as Trump's education secretary; vice president casts historic tie-breaking vote - CNNPolitics.com
This is wonderful news. Maybe she can clean up the DOE mess. Better yet, just shut it down.
 
Old 02-08-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Austin
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DeVos wants to give you, the parents, more control over your children's education. Why is that a bad thing?
This is true and scares the heck out of Dems. They think government should control every aspect of our lives.
 
Old 02-08-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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School officials need to have assault rifles in class in case one of those dinosaurs from the past 4000 years (the age of the earth) comes into the doors of the school!

#DevosFaqs
Assault rifles are only good up to medium game. A heavy battle rifle would be more up to the task. Even a .50 bmg or .20mm.
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