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Old 02-09-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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I think Gorsuch was not Trumps' pick. I think he was advised that this person would pass confirmation. I did not see much warmth between either one of them. I think Gorsuch was wrong to say this to a Democrat, with everything being thrown back at the president. I didn't want someone to be a yes-man to Trump but will he follow the conservative line ? No, I don't have a good feeling about this. And, by the way, remember Judge Roberts and the Obamacare decision ? That was a joke. Roberts was being totally political and an activist........
Well Annie - I think that one of the main complaints about Donald Trump is that he does what HE wants (including tweets), despite what others say. There is no way that Judge Gorsuch was not the real choice of President Trump - Trump is well aware of how important this is and you can bank on him making the final choice. Why Trump chose Neil Gorsuch as his Supreme Court nominee |USA Today - 1/31/17

As I said before - the words that Judge Gorsuch used are not "wrong" - it IS "demoralizing and disheartening" anytime the Federal Judiciary is "activist" and accused of being "activist". Obama accused the US Supreme Court of "activism" constantly and went so far as to 'threaten' them over ObamaCare. He called them out in front of them AND the Nation in a State of the Union Address.

Obama Threatens the Supreme Court - April 2012
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Obama takes a shot at Supreme Court over healthcare |Reuters - April 2012

President Trump should NOT use wording like "so called Judge" - EVEN IF that Judge is a well known Activist who is ignoring years of Precedence in Federal District Courts and the US Supreme Court. A better way would have been to crack a joke and say "we are send a case of US Supreme Court and District Court rulings to help the Judge out" or something like that. The Boston District Court Judge cited over 2 dozen rulings that validate the President's Executive Order. I don't like President Trump pulling the same stuff that President Obama did - he needs to be better than that. Obama did it for years, Trump has done it once - he needs to recognize that the 9th Circuit and West Coast Judges are well known for their Activism. The USA is speculating that the 9th will automatically rule against the E.O. simply because they ALWAYS do and then have the greatest record of any Court in the Nation for being over-turned by SCOTUS.

As to the press, the Leftist Blumenthal and the comments by Judge Gorsuch - Kelly Ayotte was also there, as she is the Senator in charge of escorting Judge Gorsuch to 'meet & greet'.

Trump: Senator distorting Gorsuch comments | USA Today

Trump's tweet aside: Administration officials have basically confirmed Blumenthal's comments about his discussion with Gorsuch, though they said he was not referring to any specific case.

Former U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who is shepherding Gorsuch to his meetings with senators, said the nominee is making it clear in all of his meetings that "he could not comment on any specific cases and that judicial ethics prevent him from commenting on political matters."

Ayotte added that Gorsuch "has also emphasized the importance of an independent judiciary, and while he made clear that he was not referring to any specific case, he said that he finds any criticism of a judge's integrity and independence disheartening and demoralizing.”


I think this entire thing is about turning President Trump and his supporters against Judge Gorsuch - they hope that President Trump will toss Judge Gorsuch overboard. He is certain to be confirmed, it's the only play the Left has now and President Trump is not going to play their game.

I don't agree with Justice Roberts decision either - BUT I do understand how/why it happened. An Election Year with a Hostile President openly saying he will make this a campaign issue in his Threats to SCOTUS - thereby further eroding the Public Trust in our Judicial branch. Don't kid yourself that the Roberts decision was well liked by the Left or even the Obama Administration - but it did force them to shut up about the Court. Roberts ruled 2 things - the "Mandate is a TAX", partially because that WAS the defense of the Obama Administration - proving they LIED to the American Public. Congress can regulate the TAX, which means Congress has an easier path to Repeal. ObamaCare falls apart without the Mandate. The 2nd thing Roberts did is remove the ObamaCare threat against the States that didn't implement the Medicare Mandate, which also makes it fall apart. He found an elegant solution to a big complicated problem. Roberts bet the Farm on the GOP taking the Senate and the Oval Office and gave them an easier path to Repeal ..... now we must convince the GOP Establishment to take that path.

Under the U.S. Supreme Court: What Roberts actually said about healthcare 'tax' |UPI 2012

 
Old 02-09-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Good PR move by Gorsuch to get some dems on his side.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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If you actually READ what has said - Gorsuch stated he can make no statements on politics due to his position. HE made a general statement about ANY disparaging remarks about judges are 'demoralizing'. Taking ALL his statements in context, it shows he was NOT specifically referring to Trump.

Maybe he was actually referring to Obama's state of the union address where he stood before the SCOTUS justices and publicly threw scorn at their decisions he did not agree with?
 
Old 02-09-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Well Annie - I think that one of the main complaints about Donald Trump is that he does what HE wants (including tweets), despite what others say. There is no way that Judge Gorsuch was not the real choice of President Trump - Trump is well aware of how important this is and you can bank on him making the final choice. Why Trump chose Neil Gorsuch as his Supreme Court nominee |USA Today - 1/31/17

As I said before - the words that Judge Gorsuch used are not "wrong" - it IS "demoralizing and disheartening" anytime the Federal Judiciary is "activist" and accused of being "activist". Obama accused the US Supreme Court of "activism" constantly and went so far as to 'threaten' them over ObamaCare. He called them out in front of them AND the Nation in a State of the Union Address.

Obama Threatens the Supreme Court - April 2012
AND
Obama takes a shot at Supreme Court over healthcare |Reuters - April 2012

President Trump should NOT use wording like "so called Judge" - EVEN IF that Judge is a well known Activist who is ignoring years of Precedence in Federal District Courts and the US Supreme Court. A better way would have been to crack a joke and say "we are send a case of US Supreme Court and District Court rulings to help the Judge out" or something like that. The Boston District Court Judge cited over 2 dozen rulings that validate the President's Executive Order. I don't like President Trump pulling the same stuff that President Obama did - he needs to be better than that. Obama did it for years, Trump has done it once - he needs to recognize that the 9th Circuit and West Coast Judges are well known for their Activism. The USA is speculating that the 9th will automatically rule against the E.O. simply because they ALWAYS do and then have the greatest record of any Court in the Nation for being over-turned by SCOTUS.

As to the press, the Leftist Blumenthal and the comments by Judge Gorsuch - Kelly Ayotte was also there, as she is the Senator in charge of escorting Judge Gorsuch to 'meet & greet'.

Trump: Senator distorting Gorsuch comments | USA Today

Trump's tweet aside: Administration officials have basically confirmed Blumenthal's comments about his discussion with Gorsuch, though they said he was not referring to any specific case.

Former U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who is shepherding Gorsuch to his meetings with senators, said the nominee is making it clear in all of his meetings that "he could not comment on any specific cases and that judicial ethics prevent him from commenting on political matters."

Ayotte added that Gorsuch "has also emphasized the importance of an independent judiciary, and while he made clear that he was not referring to any specific case, he said that he finds any criticism of a judge's integrity and independence disheartening and demoralizing.”


I think this entire thing is about turning President Trump and his supporters against Judge Gorsuch - they hope that President Trump will toss Judge Gorsuch overboard. He is certain to be confirmed, it's the only play the Left has now and President Trump is not going to play their game.

I don't agree with Justice Roberts decision either - BUT I do understand how/why it happened. An Election Year with a Hostile President openly saying he will make this a campaign issue in his Threats to SCOTUS - thereby further eroding the Public Trust in our Judicial branch. Don't kid yourself that the Roberts decision was well liked by the Left or even the Obama Administration - but it did force them to shut up about the Court. Roberts ruled 2 things - the "Mandate is a TAX", partially because that WAS the defense of the Obama Administration - proving they LIED to the American Public. Congress can regulate the TAX, which means Congress has an easier path to Repeal. ObamaCare falls apart without the Mandate. The 2nd thing Roberts did is remove the ObamaCare threat against the States that didn't implement the Medicare Mandate, which also makes it fall apart. He found an elegant solution to a big complicated problem. Roberts bet the Farm on the GOP taking the Senate and the Oval Office and gave them an easier path to Repeal ..... now we must convince the GOP Establishment to take that path.

Under the U.S. Supreme Court: What Roberts actually said about healthcare 'tax' |UPI 2012
Compare what Obama said and what Trump said. There is no equivalence. If Trump had left it at he thinks he has a strong case and the court should rule in his favor then there would be equivalence. Trump went well beyond that.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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If you actually READ what has said - Gorsuch stated he can make no statements on politics due to his position. HE made a general statement about ANY disparaging remarks about judges are 'demoralizing'. Taking ALL his statements in context, it shows he was NOT specifically referring to Trump.

Maybe he was actually referring to Obama's state of the union address where he stood before the SCOTUS justices and publicly threw scorn at their decisions he did not agree with?
Obama in his State of the Union did not attack the Supreme Court Justices, he disagreed with their ruling. He didn't call into question their motives for ruling the way they did.

I would point out the Obama was correct on the ramifications of the ruling. That doesn't make the ruling wrong, but it does call out for reforms to eliminate the problems introduced by the ruling.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Blumenthal twisted the Judge Gorsuch and come find out the Senator added to the Judges thoughts. (on a Private Conversation)


The President has Constitutional Authority to pun travel bands on high risk states of terror. Obama Administration could not confirm the process and the results of tier program of vetting. We heard this in the Senate Review.


All these futile laws Suites is attempt to control the President.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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Obama in his State of the Union did not attack the Supreme Court Justices, he disagreed with their ruling. He didn't call into question their motives for ruling the way they did.

I would point out the Obama was correct on the ramifications of the ruling. That doesn't make the ruling wrong, but it does call out for reforms to eliminate the problems introduced by the ruling.
I saw that speech and CJ Roberts that it was attack against the court. His face and actions indicated that.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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I saw that speech and CJ Roberts that it was attack against the court. His face and actions indicated that.
Obama addressed the substance of the decision and did not attack the SC Judges personally. That is far different from what Trump has done and continues to do.
 
Old 02-09-2017, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
Blumenthal twisted the Judge Gorsuch and come find out the Senator added to the Judges thoughts. (on a Private Conversation)


The President has Constitutional Authority to pun travel bands on high risk states of terror. Obama Administration could not confirm the process and the results of tier program of vetting. We heard this in the Senate Review.


All these futile laws Suites is attempt to control the President.
Well looks like it is a generic statement applies to everyone. Everything else is just people and media connecting dots. But indirectly it applies to Trump statements as well. We might see few more versions of this over the time with printed articles based on internal sources. You can see in today presser about this and usual suspects pushing on this for more material.

https://youtu.be/i6Vp0bQAhJ8?t=1h10m38s
 
Old 02-09-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Obama addressed the substance of the decision and did not attack the SC Judges personally. That is far different from what Trump has done and continues to do.
Yes - I'd love to see examples of Obama calling a federally appointed judge a "so called judge".
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