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Old 02-12-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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All of the data is here:

https://www.maxwell.syr.edu/campbell...rged_Data_Set/

Maxwell Poll info here:

https://www.maxwell.syr.edu/campbell..._Maxwell_Poll/

Maybe.

I did. Pew Research did a more narrow poll on means-tested public assistance programs, focusing specifically on Food Stamps.

Percent of US adults who have ever received Food Stamps:

Republican: 10%
Democrat: 22%

Source: The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

Results published in 2013 (for a November 2012 study). The Pew Research data on Food Stamps coincides very closely with the Maxwell Poll data on Food Stamps.


You might want to look at how those numbers break down as of June 2016


States with the most people on food stamps:
  • Louisiana. • Number of food stamp recipients: 868,192. ...
  • Tennessee. • Number of food stamp recipients: Just over 1.28 million. ...
  • Oregon. • Number of food stamp recipients: 791,222. ...
  • West Virginia. • Number of food stamp recipients: 369,249. ...
  • New Mexico. ...
  • Mississippi. ...
  • District of Columbia.


States with the most people on food stamps


Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Mississippi are hardly bastions of democratic party.


If you want to get really technical here are numbers as of December 2016:


Monthly Number of Persons Participating in the Food Stamp Program | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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Exactly. And why do something complicated when you accomplish the same thing simply? There's no reason to make more Wall St. profits.
so instead of a carbon tax that would hurt everyone equally, even though i oppose it, you would rather have something that would in fact make profits on wall street? cap and trade credits would in fact be bought and sold like stocks and bonds. and who do you think would be brokering these trades? thats right the big bankers of wall street. cap and trade credits would become a commodity just like oranges, pork bellies, crude oil, and gold.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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Why would that matter when we are talking about urban areas, which is the cumulation of your individual of your source....?
That question makes no sense.

Look, the facts are clear.

2014 Poverty Rates:

City: 18.9%
Rural: 16.5%


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Institute for Research on Poverty | University of Wisconsin-Madison

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Rural poverty is increasing, not decreasing.
No, it is not. Read the chart. The city poverty rate is increasing. The rural poverty rate is declining.

I can't help it if you can't read a chart.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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Nothing post 2014..... you keep trying.
what do you have post 2014?
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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You might want to look at how those numbers break down as of June 2016


States with the most people on food stamps:
  • Louisiana. • Number of food stamp recipients: 868,192. ...
  • Tennessee. • Number of food stamp recipients: Just over 1.28 million. ...
  • Oregon. • Number of food stamp recipients: 791,222. ...
  • West Virginia. • Number of food stamp recipients: 369,249. ...
  • New Mexico. ...
  • Mississippi. ...
  • District of Columbia.


States with the most people on food stamps


Louisiana, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Mississippi are hardly bastions of democratic party.


If you want to get really technical here are numbers as of December 2016:


Monthly Number of Persons Participating in the Food Stamp Program | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
Where's the city/rural breakdown of poverty rates? Remember, the poverty rate is higher in cities, and they're much more densely populated on top of that. Cities also tend to vote Dem, not Republican, so it's not likely you can call them Trump supporters.

There Really Are Two Americas: An Urban America that votes Democrat and a Rural America that votes Republican - Washington Post

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Old 02-12-2017, 10:52 PM
 
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What you are referring to is Cap and Trade, the banks and Wall St. love this idea....
That sounds good
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:41 PM
 
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I don't think Trump will sign it and he better not. He is smart enough to know how critical voters here in West Virginia as well as in western Pennsylvania and southern Ohio were to his victory, and this is coal country. It was these voters that flipped PA and OH for him.

Anyone who refuses to stand with coal will not win here in West Virginia. We here stand with our coal miners because we know what our economy depends on. I truly don't believe in the global warming lies no matter which party tells them.
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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I don't think Trump will sign it and he better not. He is smart enough to know how critical voters here in West Virginia as well as in western Pennsylvania and southern Ohio were to his victory, and this is coal country. It was these voters that flipped PA and OH for him.

Anyone who refuses to stand with coal will not win here in West Virginia. We here stand with our coal miners because we know what our economy depends on. I truly don't believe in the global warming lies no matter which party tells them.
Coal is done. It can't compete with natural gas. Obama has already ended its use by fiat.

A carbon tax might be the only chance coal has for a limited comeback. Maybe it can find niches in the Virginias, KY, lower mid-west and NC. I don't know how efficient coal plants are. Combined cycle gas turbines are over 80% efficient. Coal plants have to get above that the GT's level to compete.

A carbon tax is the most efficient way to fight global warming (I'm not a big global warmer.) The current Rube Goldberg schemes are a huge drag on the economy. I doubt anyone knows how much output they cost or the extent of the inefficiencies they create.

Coal would do better with a carbon tax if only because it can't do worse than the current scheme.
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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Why did obama end coal with a fiat if it couldn't compete with natural gas anyway?

Presidents (or their governments) shouldn't be making energy choices for the people.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Why did obama end coal with a fiat if it couldn't compete with natural gas anyway?

Presidents (or their governments) shouldn't be making energy choices for the people.
Because he wanted to get rid of coal for all time. Drive a spike through its heart so to speak.

Ending coal mining:

This story is no longer available - Washington Times

Closing coal plants:

Coal Plants Affected by EPA Regulations
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