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Are you an expert on who Mexico considers to be one of its citizen or not?
The poster probably is not, however, the US gov most likely states this person is a Mexican citizen, and will be treated as such. SO if a deportation order comes, this person will be sent back to Mexico.
When this person submitted paperwork for permanent residency, or when filling out forms that ask what citizenship she is, what do you think she puts?
The poster probably is not, however, the US gov most likely states this person is a Mexican citizen, and will be treated as such. SO if a deportation order comes, this person will be sent back to Mexico.
When this person submitted paperwork for permanent residency, or when filling out forms that ask what citizenship she is, what do you think she puts?
She is a Mexican natonal which is all the government would care about. Mexico as does the US differentiates between citizens and nationals. Here in the US nationals are rare and unusual. In Mexico and much of south and central America that is not true. For instance here you are born a citizen. In Mexico you have to be 18 and meet other requirements to become a citizen...it is not automatic.
And yes she may well answer that she is a Mexican citizen if there is no option of being a Mexican national.
She is a Mexican natonal which is all the government would care about. Mexico as does the US differentiates between citizens and nationals. Here in the US nationals are rare and unusual. In Mexico and much of south and central America that is not true. For instance here you are born a citizen. In Mexico you have to be 18 and meet other requirements to become a citizen...it is not automatic.
And yes she may well answer that she is a Mexican citizen if there is no option of being a Mexican national.
It does not matter what Mexico considers a citizen, it matters what the US declares her as, thus the topic of discussion here. You are trying to play semantics with an attempt to undermine the basic fact that she is not a citizen of the US, and voted illegally, and may face deportation after her jail sentence. The topic is her and the US gov, not what Mexico classifies her as.
Anyway, you seem to not include what Mexico considers as a national, which is the person's relationship to the country in the context of international law, which in this case means all the same as a US citizen is to the US. A Mexican citizen is about the relation between the person and their responsibilities within Mexico, like voting.
It does not matter what Mexico considers a citizen, it matters what the US declares her as, thus the topic of discussion here. You are trying to play semantics with an attempt to undermine the basic fact that she is not a citizen of the US, and voted illegally, and may face deportation after her jail sentence. The topic is her and the US gov, not what Mexico classifies her as.
Anyway, you seem to not include what Mexico considers as a national, which is the person's relationship to the country in the context of international law, which in this case means all the same as a US citizen is to the US. A Mexican citizen is about the relation between the person and their responsibilities within Mexico, like voting.
Actually I said two or three posts ago that it was not a worthwhile issue. And the only thing I would believe it shows is that she was a life long US resident with limited ties to Mexico.
The Mexican nationality is the important thing actually. It means they will accept her if she is deported.
Why do you people keep trying to change the opinions of others? I have held right along that she appears to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Why do you find that impossible to understand?
I do think however the thing is a vast overkill. Should have been a misdemeanor leading to probation.
This case proves that Mexicans have voted illegally. It also proves how easily they do so without getting caught.
Nah, by a strict definition of proof, the case proves that one Mexican national, a woman, voted illegally. Texas is hardly noted as a bastion of liberalism - look @ the national indices of voter participation, educational attainment, educational expenditures in public schools K-12 per capita, child abuse/capita, health insurance coverage, TANF, payday loan regulation, capital punishment, the makeup of the prisons & jails there, & on & on. The TX state education funding system for K-12 is back in the courts for the Nth time, the TX Dept. of Education is under fire for illegally capping the number/percentage of children who receive Special Education services (for budgetary reasons, apparently), & so on.
The only thing the detractors can do is cry "fake news" and "fake video", when, it's right there for anyone to look up. They are unable to address it at all.
The Mexican's criminal conviction for voter fraud is matter of public record.
The Video where Obama clearly says there will be no worries if illegals votes is there for anyone to view.
Clear enough that Hillary got votes she didn't deserve.
Yah. Well, if there were millions of votes cast illegally in the last election - Then where are the prosecutions? Where are the accused? Why aren't the courts clogged with these cases then? It's certainly not for lack of interest nor failure to prosecute - the woman in the OP was sentenced to eight years on two felony convictions - even though she tried to vote for Texas AG Paxton, who is leading the hue & cry to put her away, & then likely deport her, with prejudice.
This charge of ineligible aliens voting has been floating around since the GOP noticed that they don't get very many ethnic nor minority votes in the US - & rather than making their platform more palatable to a wider segment of voters, they've apparently decided to double down & make effectively sure that no ethnic nor minority ever votes for them.
Good in the long run, we'll be shut of the maniacs & billionaire boy's club so-called planning. In the short term, it's a real problem to deal with mere bomb-throwers all the time. I suggest we follow the advice of the wiser of the three little pigs: Build in brick, it won't blow away like straw nor sticks.
Think she answered "Yes" to that question? Think she's the only one?
Simple way to resolve this... subpoena states' illegal aliens' driver's license data, cross-check that with voter rolls to see if any of them voted, and check to see which illegals are using stolen/fake SS numbers.
Bye bye illegals. Go home.
Couple of issues there. SSN TMK isn't typically required for a driver's license - there are uniform requirements for state DL that are tied to proof of ID @ the federal level - NM is now complaint with the federal requirements (it had been an issue). & I'm not sure that all states issue a DL to aliens without a valid reason to be in-country. In that case, you'd have to subpoena work records - or school/university records - SSN income data, for instance - to run down SSNs & try to get matches to voter records. Which might entail a fair amount of work - if people move around, don't leave forwarding address - worse if they're trying to skip town without leaving any markers for future contact.
The other consideration, especially for people who are leery of the power vested in government in general - Do you really want the states & federal gov. collecting this data & assembling it into an investigative/law enforcement tool? It would be very powerful, especially if you run it against credit card purchases, real estate records, medical/insurance data, military & ordinary police records, & so on.
The US & state Constitutions established checks & balances - this sounds reasonable, if the targeted intent is the only one that the assembled data can be put to. But law enforcement is subject to mission creep - political pressures will pile up. If the data is so effective @ pinpointing people who voted who weren't eligible to do so, Why can't we pinpoint tax evaders, & people with large incomes with no visible means of support, people who skip out on their debts, people who abandon their spouse/children, & on & on.
Yah, too effective a tool, & you have a whole new set of problems. & some of those undermine the very notion of citizenship & representative government.
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