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Old 02-11-2017, 07:01 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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No there isn't. I can't access the first link because of my ad blocker but the second one is misleading. The after pictures are NOT the after pictures. They are the intermediate pictures. The land is reclaimed with new trees planted and the land restored.

I am happy to see the process stopping but I dislike deceitful representations of what is happening. It's far harder to make your argument when you paint a complete picture but just because it takes more work to make a decent argument, you shouldn't resort to deceptive practices.
Well I'd encourage you to turn off your ad blocker and view the first one's slideshow showing the real impacts to the land and people of that mining.

I know all about reclamation. You're not going to fool a forester who understands forests, ecology and soils that the land is restored in reclamation. What they plant is not what was there and is limited in terms of diversity. The soil is largely if not entirely gone and will take at least centuries to come back. The mountain and the high elevation habitat it provides is gone. The land is not restored. The water is contaminated, streams destroyed.

 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:05 AM
 
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Most of the Homes(shacks) in West Virginia are handed down from one generation to another and at best are worth very little.I bet you can come up with the same numbers or even higher if you compare WV to NY or Conn. WV is very poor and their lack of "property tax" shows in their awful education system and healthcare.You get what you give.
Only one state is listed at a better graduation rate than WV which is higher than the national average.

The High School Graduation Rate Reaches A Record High

Maybe it's not WV that needs better educated?
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Well I'd encourage you to turn off your ad blocker and view the first one's slideshow showing the real impacts to the land and people of that mining.

I know all about reclamation. You're not going to fool a forester who understands forests, ecology and soils that the land is restored in reclamation. What they plant is not what was there and is limited in terms of diversity. The soil is largely if not entirely gone and will take at least centuries to come back. The mountain and the high elevation habitat it provides is gone. The land is not restored. The water is contaminated, streams destroyed.
Exactly.
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Well I'd encourage you to turn off your ad blocker and view the first one's slideshow showing the real impacts to the land and people of that mining.
Because my point is not valid? Those aren't intermediate pictures?

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I know all about reclamation. You're not going to fool a forester who understands forests, ecology and soils that the land is restored in reclamation. What they plant is not what was there and is limited in terms of diversity. The soil is largely if not entirely gone and will take at least centuries to come back. The mountain and the high elevation habitat it provides is gone. The land is not restored. The water is contaminated, streams destroyed.
No they are not. I fly fish the streams all the time. The streams are little changed from the first time I saw them 50 or so years ago.
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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Only one state is listed at a better graduation rate than WV which is higher than the national average.

The High School Graduation Rate Reaches A Record High

Maybe it's not WV that needs better educated?
Well maybe but then you would need the reel numbers would you not?
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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West Virginia is beautiful, but living there is difficult. Poverty abounds, and if you need to go to any kind of specialist doctor, you have a 2-HR drive. My friend's family doesn't have cell service unless they stand in certain spots, and only recently got satellite Internet that intermittently works. Many people she knew lost their homes in the floods last year, and the local Krogers had their driveway washed away in the floods so the next nearest grocery is an hour away instead of 30 minutes. My friend moved away from the "ape in heels" mentality that pervades her hometown and dreads her visits to see her family. If all that sounds great to you, then by all means, move to WV. I'm sure it's paradise to many people.
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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Well maybe but then you would need the reel numbers would you not?
"reel" numbers? (I only do this when people are questioning the intelligence of others).
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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Only one state is listed at a better graduation rate than WV which is higher than the national average.

The High School Graduation Rate Reaches A Record High

Maybe it's not WV that needs better educated?
From your own link:

"While the graduation rate continues to climb, the improvement comes at a time when the scores of high school students on the test known as the "Nation's Report Card," are essentially flat, and average scores on the ACT and SAT are down."

Low standards make graduation easier but it doesn't mean the education is any good.

WV MetroNews – W.Va. student test scores are out: What do they mean?

Last year only 1 in 5 students in the 9-11 grades were considered proficient in math in WV. Math is one of the most important subjects to be proficient in to advance in many fields. WV schools are basically passing students who aren't proficient to make for an artificially high graduation rate.
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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West Virginia is beautiful, but living there is difficult. Poverty abounds, and if you need to go to any kind of specialist doctor, you have a 2-HR drive. My friend's family doesn't have cell service unless they stand in certain spots, and only recently got satellite Internet that intermittently works. Many people she knew lost their homes in the floods last year, and the local Krogers had their driveway washed away in the floods so the next nearest grocery is an hour away instead of 30 minutes. My friend moved away from the "ape in heels" mentality that pervades her hometown and dreads her visits to see her family. If all that sounds great to you, then by all means, move to WV. I'm sure it's paradise to many people.
The flood was bad. As are the hurricane's on the East Coast and Gulf areas. The tornado's in the midwest. The Earthquakes on the left coast.
 
Old 02-11-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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From your own link:

"While the graduation rate continues to climb, the improvement comes at a time when the scores of high school students on the test known as the "Nation's Report Card," are essentially flat, and average scores on the ACT and SAT are down."

Low standards make graduation easier but it doesn't mean the education is any good.

WV MetroNews – W.Va. student test scores are out: What do they mean?

Last year only 1 in 5 students in the 9-11 grades were considered proficient in math in WV. Math is one of the most important subjects to be proficient in to advance in many fields. WV schools are basically passing students who aren't proficient to make for an artificially high graduation rate.
The majority of states are ranked lower than WV.
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