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Old 02-13-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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So how long are we supposed to act like cowards? 20 years, 100 years? 1000 years? By spending trillions of dollars protecting ourselves from an incredibly unlikely threat, talking about what a threat the terrorists are nonstop on the news every day, profiling, strip searching, body scanning, removing shoes, computers, liquids, searching luggage, vehicles, wiretaps, cell phones, emails, doing background checks, and everything else on someone we think may be a terrorist, the terrorists have won. How do we prove that we are stronger, more powerful, and that we have recovered from that horrible tragedy? By actually proving it and showing them that we are not afraid of them anymore. Instead, we demonstrate the exact opposite: them everyday that we are just as terrified, and even more so, than we were after 9/11. So who are really the victors? The terrorist losers. And I bet they laugh at us every day because they have proved how weak we are and they can control our behavior all the time from thousands of miles away.

Yeah, these low numbers from terrorist attacks are accomplished with strip searches and body scans , but the liberal simpletons don't see a problem. And of course they are very brave as well having asked for da gubemrnt protection.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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I agree but wanted to also note that domestic terrorism is much more likely to be a threat to America than any Arab/Islamic terrorist.

IMO people are ignoring the rise of the white nationalist/supremacist. And FWIW, I also feel the black nationalist/supremacist are being overlooked in regards to their threats - the shooters of the police officers in LA and TX were black nationalist sympathizers. White nationalist sympathizers were involved in the SC church shooting, the Sikh temple shooting, abortion clinic shootings, etc. Our domestic crazies should be more of a focus IMO.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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I agree but wanted to also note that domestic terrorism is much more likely to be a threat to America than any Arab/Islamic terrorist.

IMO people are ignoring the rise of the white nationalist/supremacist. And FWIW, I also feel the black nationalist/supremacist are being overlooked in regards to their threats - the shooters of the police officers in LA and TX were black nationalist sympathizers. White nationalist sympathizers were involved in the SC church shooting, the Sikh temple shooting, abortion clinic shootings, etc. Our domestic crazies should be more of a focus IMO.
These groups are listed as hate groups on the SPLC site...

Weren't those shooters also ex-military?

I think we actually create a lot more violence than would be natural - but our military adventures, etc.

Send a young many overseas and have him killing folks trying to protect their homesteads and towns and it can cause a shift in thinking (that, as we all know, our government lies).
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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Just because there hasn't been a major recent DOES NOT mean that there are no threats to this country. Maybe it's a good thing the average person doesn't know how many threats are prevented.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: WY
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What are the odds of being killed by a Terrorist in the Syria / Somalia / Libya and why Import those odds into the US ?
This ^^^^

I've posted this before with links, but this time I'll keep it short and sweet:

1. Our intelligence heads say they can't effectively vet refugees

2. ISIS infiltrated the European refugee population and promised to do the same with those who come here

3.. We can pick a random number to bring in each year - say 100,000 refugees. They:

a) can apply for family reunification and bring family to this country once they are settled here
b) breed at rates higher than American citizens
c) do the math over 5 years - 10 years - 20 years - 50 years

4) talks on here yesterday about the cost of refugees and illegals to this country. What can we do with that money to care for ourselves?

5) We're a caring and creative nation - come up with another plan to secure these people in their own nations. No need to bring them here.

6) Obama tried to shame American citizens into accepting refugees. Insulting us on the world stage and accusing us of being afraid of women and orphans didn't win any points then, and certainly won't now.
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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By the way that math in your little study was obviously conveniently massaged to exclude 911. 3,000 people were killed on 911. That's 1 in 100,000 right there. 1 in 9.6 million? That's a crock.
you are measuring the number wrong, big bucks.... the numbers are on average ie not one year but 100... so for you to be correct you need a 911 every single year for 100 years...
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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This ^^^^

I've posted this before with links, but this time I'll keep it short and sweet:

1. Our intelligence heads say they can't effectively vet refugees

2. ISIS infiltrated the European refugee population and promised to do the same with those who come here

3.. We can pick a random number to bring in each year - say 100,000 refugees. They:

a) can apply for family reunification and bring family to this country once they are settled here
b) breed at rates higher than American citizens
c) do the math over 5 years - 10 years - 20 years - 50 years

4) talks on here yesterday about the cost of refugees and illegals to this country. What can we do with that money to care for ourselves?

5) We're a caring and creative nation - come up with another plan to secure these people in their own nations. No need to bring them here.

6) Obama tried to shame American citizens into accepting refugees. Insulting us on the world stage and accusing us of being afraid of women and orphans didn't win any points then, and certainly won't now.
cool story bro, but where are all the attacks... we are roughly a decade and a half away from 911, if we have little control why have we not had thousands of attacks in the USA..??????


Seems to me you just made a list of excuses and xenophobic nonsense and want to pretend that it means anything other than you are scared of people who look and sound different to you....
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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cool story bro, but where are all the attacks... we are roughly a decade and a half away from 911, if we have little control why have we not had thousands of attacks in the USA..??????


Seems to me you just made a list of excuses and xenophobic nonsense and want to pretend that it means anything other than you are scared of people who look and sound different to you....
They're listed right here for easy reference.

Terrorist attacks and related incidents in the United States
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Seriously folks. The sheer bedwetting terror and fear mongering about terrorists is complete garbage. I posted about this on another comment, but really feel it deserves its own thread.

Lets use the WORST statistic. Odds of being killed by a terrorist worldwide (we're MUCH safer in the US).
1 in 9.6 million.

Know what is more dangerous here in the US?
1 in 685,000 of us drown in our bathtub
1 in 812,232 fatally slip in the shower
1 in 18,000 are murdered
1 in 9,380 commit suicide
1 in 18,585 die in car accidents
1 in 20,666 die from some sort of fall
1 in 79,065 die from accidental drowning
1 in 370,000 die from choking on their food
1 in 3 million die from food poisoning! And yet folks want less food and drug administration oversight.
1 in 700,000 die from dog bites.

And yet look at you folks! All scared of the big ol bad terrorist. Know what makes terrorism work? People being scared. Folks here quite literally help the terrorists over and over. Trump is helping them massively.

you are literally in 10X more danger from dogs.

the big killers? Heart disease. Cancer. Strokes. Those are huge. And yet here we are spending all of our time focusing on truly minor threats like terrorism. My shower is more dangerous to me on average then a terrorist. And that's using the worldwide statistic! You are 2X safer in the US.

People are cowards being scared by others to manipulate them. Stop it. Pay more attention to your shower.
Tell it to NYC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOW, how many Federal and state agencies dedicated to anti-terrorism are there?
Do you suppose they are just bluffing to keep their jobs.?


Why not tell it to the TSA, BP, NSA, NCTC, CIA


"The Office of Antiterrorism Assistance (ATA), administers the Antiterrorism Assistance Program. The ATA program trains civilian security and law enforcement personnel from friendly governments in police procedures that deal with terrorism. DS officers work with the host country's government and a team from that country's U.S. mission to develop the most effective means of training for bomb detection, crime scene investigation, airport and building security, maritime protections, and VIP protection."

and this


"Bureau of Counterterrorism and Countering Violent Extremism’s mission is to promote U.S. national security by taking a leading role in developing coordinated strategies and approaches to defeat terrorism abroad and securing the counterterrorism cooperation of international partners."

and this


Antiterrorism Assistance Program (ATA)
Countering Violent Extremism (CVE)
Countering the Financing of Terrorism Finance (CFT)
Counterterrorism Partnerships Fund (CTPF)
Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST)
Global Counterterrorism Forum (GCTF)
International Security Events Group (ISEG)
Regional Strategic Initiative (RSI)
Technical Support Working Group (TSWG)
Terrorist Screening and Interdiction Programs (TSI)
Trans-Sahara Counterterrorism Partnership (TSCTP)
Partnership for Regional East African Counterterrorism (PREACT"


We sure could save some money if these people knew terrorism wasn't a major threat.


Just like ISIS was the JV team; with a little disregard terrorism could rise to the level of a mjor concern in the liberal camp.


Then agaoin if we just leabel terrorist events as workplace violence or hate crimes, terrorism could be eliminated completely from our shores.




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Old 02-13-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Syria, Libya, Yemen, and he greatly escalated the war in Afghanistan. I'm sure you know this. And if you are trying to use word smiting over what "starting a war means", that simply means you don't have real argument. Obama bombed terrorists in 7 arab countries.
Hey, Kitty...

I know what "started" means. You're the one who used it inappropriately.

Pubs were all in when Dubya was doing it. But as soon as Obama did the exact same thing, suddenly there were all these crocodile tears about "collateral casualties" streaming from the tear ducts on the right side of Obamaphobic faces.

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Yet the OP says only the right worries about terrorists.
And you obviously object to Obama continuing the war on terror that Dubya & Chicken Dick Cheney started.

What was all that big talk about "tough on terrorism?"

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