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And that this is why Trump's supporters elected him to be our nation's President?
Everything from cracking down hard on illegal criminals to working very closely with law enforcement to increasing border security and homeland security to withdrawing the U.S. from TPP to reducing regulations on businesses to restricting travel from nations that have strong ties to terrorism...
Trump talked about all of these things numerous times over and over again during his hundreds of campaign stops. Again, this is what the American electorate VOTED for him on.
Did all the anti-Trumpers and protesters out there not get the memo? What were all of these people doing on November 8?
A lot of them (especially on the Left) didn't vote.
Others are of the "That's not who we are" group. They are wrong. America, from it's founding, has had rules and limits on immigration. Our border has never been wide open. And "Lady Liberty" is not an open invitation but is instead a monument to LIBERTY. That's what it represents. It is not a monument to immigrants, as some think. The poem, Rush Limbaugh pointed out, came AFTER the Statue of Liberty was erected. It was never a part of the plan, and bears no reflection of the meaning of the Statue itself, in which Lady Liberty is holding out a lamp, a light to the world. The light of Liberty, if you will.
And that this is why Trump's supporters elected him to be our nation's President?
Everything from cracking down hard on illegal criminals to working very closely with law enforcement to increasing border security and homeland security to withdrawing the U.S. from TPP to reducing regulations on businesses to restricting travel from nations that have strong ties to terrorism...
Trump talked about all of these things numerous times over and over again during his hundreds of campaign stops. Again, this is what the American electorate VOTED for him on.
Did all the anti-Trumpers and protesters out there not get the memo? What were all of these people doing on November 8?
Ok I will give this a shot.
The Mexican immigration conversation is a solution looking for a problem. I live in an agriculture state. I can tell you, these illegal immigrants are not taking any jobs that anyone else wants. It is back breaking labor. These people are desperate enough that they will undertake it to feed their families back home. Do I love it? No. But I don't think the solution for them or, more importantly for us, is to round them up and deport them. No one flips **** when I drive 90 miles an hour down the road. But it's ILLEGAL. Sure. I get a ticket. I pay it. They pay taxes, and I get access to cheaper produce and dairy products. Do I WISH they had access to healthcare? Absolutely. Do I wish there was a better solution? Sure. I just don't see this as the crazy priority that many do.
The ties to terrorism stuff is disingenuous at best. Were that the case, countries that did not have business dealings with Trump would also be on the list. But it does not matter much. Statistically, terror and hate crimes are vastly more prevelantly committed by disturbed white guys in this country. You don't stick your tiny kid in a dangerous boat because their teacher yelled at them at school. Whether we like it or not, decades of foreign policy of ours and others has left the middle east a freaking mess. The risk to us is demonstrably minimal. I would be more than willing to look into the efficacy of vetting if there is any reason to doubt it. But so far I have seen no evidence of this. Challenging green card holders at the airport is nothing more than posturing.
Taxes. Yes. Tax me. I have as much to lose as anyone when it comes to taxation. As a middle class person, we get hit hard. IF that means the electorate is more highly educated in the sciences, critical thinking, human rights and social justice, I am ALL IN. The idea that individuals know better what to do with their money is demonstrable bullsh!t as evidenced by the variable rate mortgage debacle. I was offered one of these mortgages. I can own a McMansion! But in 2 years time I can have No Control At All around how much my mortgage costs me. Not a smart move. Yet people bought it like crazy. The administration now is trying to gut legislation and rules that require truth in financial advice. It hurts me directly way more than a few bucks in taxes when greedy, ignorant people pretend that they know what to do with their money and cause massive financial instability.
Environment. Yup. Clean water in Flint Michigan? Bye bye. No one cares. My "personal responsibility" does not extend to clean water. Dakota access pipeline? Who gives a *****. ****ing injuns can't interrupt corporate profits. Corporate profits mean jobs, all evidence to the contrary. Global warming is a myth. Not so much. We are to the point that reversal is not even considered a possibility by the scientific community. This is a burden that my children and their children will bear. Renewable energy in coal country? Great idea. But NOOOO we want our old sh!tty jobs back. The ones that killed us. Someone help us get our sh!tty jobs back. We do all know that is never going to happen.
Women's rights. No I do not want some religious wingnut deciding for my daughter whether or not her birth control should be covered by medical insurance. His Viagra coverage remains unchallenged of course. Forget that the cost of birth control is TEENY compared to the lifetime cost of a single child (ask me how I know). Do we want to get rid of abortion? I guess. I actually have no specific problem with abortion. I like the fact that the rates are down as birth control continues to get more and more accessible. But it makes no sense to me at all to bemoan abortion while also attempting to curtail access to birth control.
Religiosity. I will fight with my last breath for a christian to be allowed to determine their life, their relationship with their god, their worship as they see fit. But I will also fight with my last breath the desire to have religiously motivated "morality" codified into our law.
Anyway I could go on. Got bored.
Crime. Our incarceration rates are already hugely the largest in any western country. Murder. Down. The last time I was in NYC which was formerly a hot bed of dangerous crime, I walked down the street in Times Square with my then elementary aged kids. The scariest thing we saw was a Batman dressed character out making laughs. I used to walk down that same street as a young lady with keys in my hand to gouge an eye and mace in my pocket.
You are correct in that he is attempting to do much of what he promised. It frightened many Americans back during the campaign and scares them even more now.
The people who are anti- Donald Trump LOST on these very issues on election night. They had their chance. The whole thing was decided on at that time. Trump supporters are that much more emboldened now that he is quickly following through on his campaign promises.
If there was a groundswell of opposition to what Trump was saying he would do, then Trump would not have won. Pretty simple, right?
How does it make sense to keep re-litigating the election?
And that this is why Trump's supporters elected him to be our nation's President?
Everything from cracking down hard on illegal criminals to working very closely with law enforcement to increasing border security and homeland security to withdrawing the U.S. from TPP to reducing regulations on businesses to restricting travel from nations that have strong ties to terrorism...
Trump talked about all of these things numerous times over and over again during his hundreds of campaign stops. Again, this is what the American electorate VOTED for him on.
Did all the anti-Trumpers and protesters out there not get the memo? What were all of these people doing on November 8?
They were celebrating the victory that they were sure they were going to win.
1) He promised to jail Hillary. Crickets...
2) He promised to resurrect our infrastructure. Silence...
3) He promised to bomb ISIS into the stone age and take their oil. Bold talk...
4) He promised to leave SS, Medicare and Medicaid intact. Sounds like he wants vouchers/privatization...
Let me tell you this - he sure ain't 'draining the swamp" and that was a big promise.
This is the swampiest cabinet I've ever seen. Goldman Sacs executives that bought and paid for their jobs including billionaire Betsy Devos.
Let's add that he promised to reverse Obama's illegal executive orders on day 1 - crickets
He promised to reverse Obamacare day 1 - crickets
He promised to make Chicago safe from day 1 - crickets
and the list goes on and on.
The Mexican immigration conversation is a solution looking for a problem. I live in an agriculture state. I can tell you, these illegal immigrants are not taking any jobs that anyone else wants. It is back breaking labor. These people are desperate enough that they will undertake it to feed their families back home. Do I love it? No. But I don't think the solution for them or, more importantly for us, is to round them up and deport them. No one flips **** when I drive 90 miles an hour down the road. But it's ILLEGAL. Sure. I get a ticket. I pay it. They pay taxes, and I get access to cheaper produce and dairy products. Do I WISH they had access to healthcare? Absolutely. Do I wish there was a better solution? Sure. I just don't see this as the crazy priority that many do.
The ties to terrorism stuff is disingenuous at best. Were that the case, countries that did not have business dealings with Trump would also be on the list. But it does not matter much. Statistically, terror and hate crimes are vastly more prevelantly committed by disturbed white guys in this country. You don't stick your tiny kid in a dangerous boat because their teacher yelled at them at school. Whether we like it or not, decades of foreign policy of ours and others has left the middle east a freaking mess. The risk to us is demonstrably minimal. I would be more than willing to look into the efficacy of vetting if there is any reason to doubt it. But so far I have seen no evidence of this. Challenging green card holders at the airport is nothing more than posturing.
Taxes. Yes. Tax me. I have as much to lose as anyone when it comes to taxation. As a middle class person, we get hit hard. IF that means the electorate is more highly educated in the sciences, critical thinking, human rights and social justice, I am ALL IN. The idea that individuals know better what to do with their money is demonstrable bullsh!t as evidenced by the variable rate mortgage debacle. I was offered one of these mortgages. I can own a McMansion! But in 2 years time I can have No Control At All around how much my mortgage costs me. Not a smart move. Yet people bought it like crazy. The administration now is trying to gut legislation and rules that require truth in financial advice. It hurts me directly way more than a few bucks in taxes when greedy, ignorant people pretend that they know what to do with their money and cause massive financial instability.
Environment. Yup. Clean water in Flint Michigan? Bye bye. No one cares. My "personal responsibility" does not extend to clean water. Dakota access pipeline? Who gives a *****. ****ing injuns can't interrupt corporate profits. Corporate profits mean jobs, all evidence to the contrary. Global warming is a myth. Not so much. We are to the point that reversal is not even considered a possibility by the scientific community. This is a burden that my children and their children will bear. Renewable energy in coal country? Great idea. But NOOOO we want our old sh!tty jobs back. The ones that killed us. Someone help us get our sh!tty jobs back. We do all know that is never going to happen.
Women's rights. No I do not want some religious wingnut deciding for my daughter whether or not her birth control should be covered by medical insurance. His Viagra coverage remains unchallenged of course. Forget that the cost of birth control is TEENY compared to the lifetime cost of a single child (ask me how I know). Do we want to get rid of abortion? I guess. I actually have no specific problem with abortion. I like the fact that the rates are down as birth control continues to get more and more accessible. But it makes no sense to me at all to bemoan abortion while also attempting to curtail access to birth control.
Religiosity. I will fight with my last breath for a christian to be allowed to determine their life, their relationship with their god, their worship as they see fit. But I will also fight with my last breath the desire to have religiously motivated "morality" codified into our law.
Anyway I could go on. Got bored.
Crime. Our incarceration rates are already hugely the largest in any western country. Murder. Down. The last time I was in NYC which was formerly a hot bed of dangerous crime, I walked down the street in Times Square with my then elementary aged kids. The scariest thing we saw was a Batman dressed character out making laughs. I used to walk down that same street as a young lady with keys in my hand to gouge an eye and mace in my pocket.
Interesting to be making pretty much the same argument in another thread, then moving along and finding somebody new making pretty much the same argument in another thread. I get a little bored too, however, because usually I comment that no one changes their mind about anything anyway. So what's the point?
I guess we all like to see that there are other people who understand and agree about these sorts of issues based on better reason, logic and practicality, even though there are plenty of other comments in this forum from Trump supporters that remind us how and why Trump got elected anyway...
Why would someone whose already a billionaire pay for a position like Secretary of Education?
Not exactly a glamorous or profitable position.
A lot of people use their government positions to obtain more wealth. For example after they leave office, Clinton, Bush, Obama receive huge kickbacks in the form of speaking fees, book advance, etc. from companies they helped
Meanwhile, peons everywhere, like on this forum for example, argue with each other like you really mean something to them.
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