National Security Advisor Michael Flynn RESIGNS!! (arsenal, weapon, Congress, illegal)

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by McGowdog

Hillary + Uranium + Obama + open mic= To Russia with Love!

Where's your msm coverage of that?

That's already been covered ad nauseum by you guys years ago when it happened and it wasn't 1+1=2 as you suggest.
This is now. Trump+Flynn+Putin=Trying to take over the Democratic system.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Originally Posted by EveryLady

The defense that the Logan Act is ambiguous and never applied simply seems to make this all the more murky. That along with Spicer's defense that the WH reviewed the calls and found no legal issue.

So why in the world then did Flynn lie about the calls to the White House, well at least to Pence and presumably Spicer if it was no big deal? Sure I get lying to the press to avoid an awkward debate. But internally to your own team? All that does is raise the trust issues that presumably led to his firing.

Something sure doesn't seem to add up here.

The first question at today's press conference was whether Flynn also had been in contact with Russia during the election - an election that the Russian's hacked. In response, Spicer gave the most convoluted non-answer.

It's really hard not to conclude that THIS is the issue and why Flynn denied any improper phone calls so hoping not to go down that road.

You know, Pandora's Box.

I should say something doesn't add up here.

The "Everybody does it," and "He did too," isn't gaining all that much traction.

If it is no big deal for Flynn to be talking sanctions with the Russians while Obama was still President, then why didn't he just say, "So what?"

Why didn't Trump? Trump will say any damn thing.

"It's always the cover-up," they say.

They also say, "Follow the money." Good advice.

Want to hear another piece of good advice? I heard from a friend.

"Never tick off the CIA."

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

How do the Obama supporters defend Obama, Clinton and that entire corrupt administration?

Obama: "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after the election."

Then there was Benghazi and all Hillary's lies about it.

Democrats have no room to criticize after the last eight years of corruption.

I guess your argument then, is "It's our turn to be corrupt now"?

Not sure what any of what you mention has to do with the here and now. Bill Clinton used to clean his pipes in the oval office. Richard Nixon had too much dirty baggage to mention. JFK used to chase anyone in a skirt. LBJ called everybody in congress ass holes and threatened to take them out behind the barn if they didn't come up with a solution.

What Does All that Matter to what's going on now?

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

This causes you to wonder what else this administration has lied about. They've already told several demonstrable lies. So when Trump says his campaign had no contact with the Kremlin, do you believe he's really telling the truth?

I get the sense that a good portion of the allegations in the Trump dossier will be substantiated.

The real excrement hasn't hit the fan yet...

The "leak" happened because Trump obviously was not going to do anything to Flynn--he had no desire to discipline Flynn or explain that the Russians were told don't sweat these sanction bcuz we can make them go away after we are in office...
So now the only thing Trump cares about is the "illegal" leaking of the information that proved Flynn was covering up info...
Initially Comey didn't want to go to the White House or Trump transition because HE was afraid that Trump would thwart the FBI's investigation of this...so Comey did want to get all the info/dirt he could and was afraid Trump would NOT allow that...how scary is that if you are the FBI head and know there is something fishy going on among the WH or anyone in Govt...and you have strong suspicion the president won't allow that...

Isn't that the crime the GOP hangs on Comey for letting Clinton get away...
Now they don't want to know the truth BEHIND Flynn and Trump's collusion to hide what was supposedly a "legal" conversations???

Remember the FBI interviewed Flynn right after Inaugauration about these phone calls...and he likely lied to the FBI which apparently is a CRIMINAL offense...not just a slap on wrist embarrassment...

Now Jason Chaffitz investigated HRC out the kazoo and back over Benghazi and today he was also complaining about "illegal leaking" of info that embarrassed Trump...not that maybe violated the Constitution, or compromised American policy, or hid info from the VP of the US who was certainly entitled to know the truth about Flynn's conduct and conversations...which they say was "legal"...which I think is likely not so...

Flynn had ties to Russia before he hooked up with Trump...his company did lot,of business there after he was kicked out of the Army for really inept oversight (lot of intelligence leaks on his watch)...
He went to Russia this summer and had several private conversations with people in Russian gov't
He took MONEY on one of the visits but he would not say why or how much...
Who knows if what he was doing was being bribed to help Russians hack the DNC and help Trump in the election---just saying he didn't have illicit conversations isn't exactly proof of his conduct at this point...
And that visit in and of itself could have been an event that left Flynn vulnerable to Russian blackmail...

Flynn is so compromised but getting him to tell the truth -- likely impossible unless Flynn gets really mad...
they would have to use "enhanced" interrogation techniques
Likely Flynn will get a cushy job with some Trump buddy's corporation and put part of that 19% Russian oil deal in his,pocket to keep quiet...

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by loves2read

The real excrement hasn't hit the fan yet...

The "leak" happened because Trump obviously was not going to do anything to Flynn--he had no desire to discipline Flynn or explain that the Russians were told don't sweat these sanction bcuz we can make them go away after we are in office...
So now the only thing Trump cares about is the "illegal" leaking of the information that proved Flynn was covering up info...
Initially Comey didn't want to go to the White House or Trump transition because HE was afraid that Trump would thwart the FBI's investigation of this...so Comey did want to get all the info/dirt he could and was afraid Trump would NOT allow that...how scary is that if you are the FBI head and know there is something fishy going on among the WH or anyone in Govt...and you have strong suspicion the president won't allow that...

Isn't that the crime the GOP hangs on Comey for letting Clinton get away...
Now they don't want to know the truth BEHIND Flynn and Trump's collusion to hide what was supposedly a "legal" conversations???

Remember the FBI interviewed Flynn right after Inaugauration about these phone calls...and he likely lied to the FBI which apparently is a CRIMINAL offense...not just a slap on wrist embarrassment...

Now Jason Chaffitz investigated HRC out the kazoo and back over Benghazi and today he was also complaining about "illegal leaking" of info that embarrassed Trump...not that maybe violated the Constitution, or compromised American policy, or hid info from the VP of the US who was certainly entitled to know the truth about Flynn's conduct and conversations...which they say was "legal"...which I think is likely not so...

Flynn had ties to Russia before he hooked up with Trump...his company did lot,of business there after he was kicked out of the Army for really inept oversight (lot of intelligence leaks on his watch)...
He went to Russia this summer and had several private conversations with people in Russian gov't
He took MONEY on one of the visits but he would not say why or how much...
Who knows if what he was doing was being bribed to help Russians hack the DNC and help Trump in the election---just saying he didn't have illicit conversations isn't exactly proof of his conduct at this point...
And that visit in and of itself could have been an event that left Flynn vulnerable to Russian blackmail...

Flynn is so compromised but getting him to tell the truth -- likely impossible unless Flynn gets really mad...
they would have to use "enhanced" interrogation techniques
Likely Flynn will get a cushy job with some Trump buddy's corporation and put part of that 19% Russian oil deal in his,pocket to keep quiet...

Great post and hit all the high, er, I mean low points of the issue. I think it won't take much pressure on Flynn to get him to open up like a can of beans. He always seemed like a fawning opportunist who hovered at the feet of power. These guys are usually the first to roll over.
He better get his life priorities in order. There are probably many right now who wish he was permanently silenced.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

That's already been covered ad nauseum by you guys years ago...

This is now. Trump+Flynn+Putin=Trying to take over the Democratic system.

You're right.

That was then.

This is now.

Most of it wasn't true then. None of it makes any difference now.

Time to focus and establish a timeline and a narrative. Who found out when is how this part of it goes.

No rush. I say we let the wheels of justice grind at a natural pace.

Make certain everybody gets a fair chance to speak their piece.

Someone on a news programs today said, "Democracy is like a muscle. You have to work it a bit to keep it strong."

[honeyinhouston]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

What a mess. Will Trump be next to go?

Hopefully!!

[zach_33]

Thats one filthy swamp rat down and many to go. Good job, wapo!

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by Old Town FFX

You honestly think this starts at the bottom?

Originally Posted by mohawkx

I guess your argument then, is "It's our turn to be corrupt now"?

Not sure what any of what you mention has to do with the here and now. Bill Clinton used to clean his pipes in the oval office. Richard Nixon had too much dirty baggage to mention. JFK used to chase anyone in a skirt. LBJ called everybody in congress ass holes and threatened to take them out behind the barn if they didn't come up with a solution.

What Does All that Matter to what's going on now?

People are free to say what they want. In all my years on many forums, I have never put someone on ignore or reported a post to a moderator.

But seriously, if the best you can do is come on threads like this when adults are having a discussion and strafe the place with little more than "b--but clinton!!!" or "obama was the antichrist though!" can you just save us the time and effort reading your inane and irrelevant nonsense?

[exm]

Originally Posted by loves2read

The Obama security people were in charge
They got the heads up and likely shared w/DoJ head Yates
They heard Flynn, Pence, Spicer lie (misrepresent) the content
They knew Trump/Bannon/Flynn had no intention of revealing the truth of conspiring to aid Russia by removing the sanctions
They did not go to the press--Yates and 2 inteligence heads wanted to go to Trump team B4 inauguration
Comey didnt want to warn Trump while investigation of hacking was ongoing
They waited
They saw/heard the coverup was still in place
Yates saw Russian potential to embarass WH later or compromise Flynn about lying
She and senior career intel guy (not named so far as I know) went to WH General Counsel and informed him.
Likely bcuz they could reason w/him and thought he would be ethical enough to share their concerns w/Trump and others

Nothing was done
The coverup continued

Then the info w/released to the Post

Now Ryan is lying to cover up for Trump and said that Trump acted as soon as he knew about Flynn lying

If true (Trump didnt know) that means Trump is being kept out of loop on serious policy actions which is very dangerous and unConstitutional
OR much more likely Trump knew, directed Flynn to do it, kept Pence out of the loop, and is still trying to cover up his Russian connections

The above is illegal. Heads should roll.