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It should be noted by all that PP abortion facilities target minority neighborhoods. Consequently, African-American and Latina women are 5 times and 2 times, respectively, more likely to have an abortion than White women. And the disproportionate rates persist even when adjusted for income level.
It should also be noted that PP's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a eugenics proponent, and the specific goal of PP was to limit the population of "undesirables," which according to Sanger included minorities.
PP was established to help families & women in particular deal with the spacing out in time of births. Her mother died early of (likely) too many births in too short a time. Sanger herself went into nursing (not an esteemed profession @ the time). She worked with doctors & other health workers in tenements & what we would consider ghettos - & saw the impact of too many children too fast on lots of families - poor, immigrant, Black, Italian, Irish & so on.
& the cite doesn't help - one, it's from Sept. 2014:
"Upadhyay and Dehlendorf believe that the Affordable Care Act will help reduce abortion among women of color by making contraception more affordable. Though national numbers are not yet available, Upadhyay said that her own doctor has seen a huge spike in demand for IUDs since the law went into effect."
(My emphasis - more @ the URL.)
& the Atlantic's treatment of the issue is much more nuanced than the citation here would lead us to believe. One of the risks one takes, I suppose.
The point to PP is that they deliberately established themselves where the people they were trying to work with lived - which meant inner cities, @ that time, & still does, to a large extent. The rates you mention have to do with the distribution of poor & working class in the US - if PP could reasonably service the rural poor - who tend to be Caucasian - the numbers would align better. But the economics of it are that PP has to work in denser population areas, where their patients are located. Middle-income & upper-income families & individual women have the resources to fly to Europe for a spa treatment for months, or to Mexico for a surgery-cation, as the case may be.
Yah, Sanger raised money & talked with eugenicists (she would talk to & raise money almost anywhere, by the way - one reason she succeeded, & many others in the same field failed). Lots of the leading intellectual lights of the US & the West in general @ the time did so - although Hitler & the Aryans took the idea & rode it into Götterdämmerung. The notion of eugenics is likely buried for centuries to come.
Sanger's crusade against undesirables is a laugh. You understand that she was Irish-Canadian-American herself, & that being Irish @ the time in the US marked her as an undesirable herself? The charge is absurd on the face of it. If the federal & various states manage to terminate funding to PP for family reproductive health care, we'll see the results in a generation or two. & they won't be pretty.
PP was established to help families & women in particular deal with the spacing out in time of births. Her mother died early of (likely) too many births in too short a time. Sanger herself went into nursing (not an esteemed profession @ the time). She worked with doctors & other health workers in tenements & what we would consider ghettos - & saw the impact of too many children too fast on lots of families - poor, immigrant, Black, Italian, Irish & so on.
& the cite doesn't help - one, it's from Sept. 2014:
"Upadhyay and Dehlendorf believe that the Affordable Care Act will help reduce abortion among women of color by making contraception more affordable. Though national numbers are not yet available, Upadhyay said that her own doctor has seen a huge spike in demand for IUDs since the law went into effect."
(My emphasis - more @ the URL.)
& the Atlantic's treatment of the issue is much more nuanced than the citation here would lead us to believe. One of the risks one takes, I suppose.
The point to PP is that they deliberately established themselves where the people they were trying to work with lived - which meant inner cities, @ that time, & still does, to a large extent. The rates you mention have to do with the distribution of poor & working class in the US - if PP could reasonably service the rural poor - who tend to be Caucasian - the numbers would align better. But the economics of it are that PP has to work in denser population areas, where their patients are located. Middle-income & upper-income families & individual women have the resources to fly to Europe for a spa treatment for months, or to Mexico for a surgery-cation, as the case may be.
Yah, Sanger raised money & talked with eugenicists (she would talk to & raise money almost anywhere, by the way - one reason she succeeded, & many others in the same field failed). Lots of the leading intellectual lights of the US & the West in general @ the time did so - although Hitler & the Aryans took the idea & rode it into Götterdämmerung. The notion of eugenics is likely buried for centuries to come.
Sanger's crusade against undesirables is a laugh. You understand that she was Irish-Canadian-American herself, & that being Irish @ the time in the US marked her as an undesirable herself? The charge is absurd on the face of it. If the federal & various states manage to terminate funding to PP for family reproductive health care, we'll see the results in a generation or two. & they won't be pretty.
Blah, blah, blah... Given all of that, WHY is PP still targeting minorities for abortion? As already proven in my prior post... African-American and Latina women are 5 times and 2 times, respectively, more likely to have an abortion than White women. And the disproportionate rates persist even when adjusted for income level.
Blah, blah, blah... Given all of that, WHY is PP still targeting minorities for abortion? As already proven in my prior post... African-American and Latina women are 5 times and 2 times, respectively, more likely to have an abortion than White women. And the disproportionate rates persist even when adjusted for income level.
PP doesn't target populations @ all - unless you mean helping families & women who are interested in controlling the timing of births. (They might opt not to have children @ all - but that's not PP's interest. As I understand it, PP helps implement the decisions that families/women make, not dictate what families/women should do to fit PP's agenda.)
From the article:
"Christine Dehlendorf, a professor of family and community medicine at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) who specializes in reproductive health research, said that the discrepancy is reflective of the broader inequities people of color face in every arena.
“There are a multitude of reasons, and we don’t fully understand what’s going on,” Dehlendorf said. “But ultimately I think it’s about structural determinants— economic reasons, issues related to racism, differences in opportunities, differences in social and historical context.”
"She emphasized that money is often a decisive factor. The median wealth of white households is 18 times that of Hispanic households and 20 times that of black households, according to the Pew Research Center, but across the board, low-income women have a higher rate of unintended pregnancy and abortion regardless of race. They are less likely to have health insurance or consistent access to healthcare, and therefore birth control, according to a study by the Kaiser Family Foundation. The Guttmacher report credited the increase in popularity of contraceptive intrauterine devices (IUDs) with contributing to the decline of the abortion rate. IUDs are among the longest-lasting and most effective methods of birth control—but they’re also among the most expensive, and therefore not an option for many low-income women."
(My emphasis - & so on)
Dehlendorf goes on to point out that income doesn't equate to socio-economic status, nor the information & culture that normally goes with that status. It's an interesting & informative article, & I think it cuts against a simplistic view of the serious issues @ hand.
Blah, blah, blah... Given all of that, WHY is PP still targeting minorities for abortion? As already proven in my prior post... African-American and Latina women are 5 times and 2 times, respectively, more likely to have an abortion than White women. And the disproportionate rates persist even when adjusted for income level.
women, including minority women are not stupid or easily led. pregnant women walking by a PP in their neighborhood will not just suddenly walk in and ask for an abortion. it isn't like the candy display at the check out in the grocery stores.
I used to be pro-life until I realized how many low-lifes are out there having children that they don't want and can't support. Those children are often abused and set up for failure in life. .
So why not kill them before they grow up? Momma doesn't want or cannot support the two-year-old child, so kill it.
"Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]
"From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[82] Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation "as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will".[83][84][85]
(My emphasis - more @ the URL)
Sanger led the efforts that overturned the Comstock Laws, put women into the forefront on family planning issue agencies in the US & helped in the World, professionalized birth control, & raised funds for oral birth control. She was jailed, muzzled, run out of town, tried - & she never backed down, TMK.
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Occam's Razor?
