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Old 02-22-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Does the child volunteer to be killed?

I think anyone should be FORCED to deal with the consequences of their actions and their actions should only be restricted when it infringes on the liberty of another (in this case the life in their womb).
you rallied against slavery in another post but see no correlation to making a woman stay pregnant, labor and deliver against her will. amazing.

yes lets make 13 year old incest victims bear children. great idea, nice way to victimize them all over again.
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Old 02-22-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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you do have reading comprehension problems. they are both human as I said several times now. the difference is one is dependent on one woman's womb and unborn. the other has been born and is being neutered by the hospital staff. try not to ignore the science of born and unborn.

answer the question should women be forced to give birth against their own will?
So, you're ok with a mother killing her baby if she feels like it.

I just wanted to make sure that was clear.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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What makes a 30 week preemie in the NICU more biologically human than the one at 39 weeks still in the womb?

Try not to ignore science on this one.
Pedro, since you are so hot about this topic, I really hope you are using birth control right? Or, better yet get a vasectomy...

If you aren't impregnating anyone, then no worries right?

I think in this world, we do not have a right to enforce OUR morality on other people--

(this has probably been said, but I reiterate:
i.e. if you don't believe in abortion - then by all means DONT HAVE ONE)
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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So, you're ok with a mother killing her baby if she feels like it.

I just wanted to make sure that was clear.
you refuse to answer the question now asked three times?

you assume too much and read things into my posts that are not there. I am ok with a woman's choice, not ok with infanticide or murder of a born individual.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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So, you're saying if a 32 week baby is removed from the womb it will die regardless of medical care?

I'm going to have to say you're wrong if you answer that in the affirmative.
How in the name of all that is holy did you come to that conclusion?
I'm saying there is a difference in a born human's dependency on others be they infants, toddlers, children, mentally deficient, physically handicapped or elderly and a fetus's dependency on the human host. You keep referencing science, look it up.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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I vote that the mother has the right to abort if it is first or second trimester no matter what. The fetus can't live without her while in the womb or out.
Actually, that isn't true. https://www.verywell.com/worlds-smal...eemies-2748663 and Survival rates for youngest preemies rouse pro-life advocates - Washington Times

So, if it is an "inconvenience" it is "fetus". A "fetus" the unborn offspring of a mammal. Despite what you may call it, "Abortion stops a beating heart."

A baby at 24 weeks: http://www.medicinenet.com/image-col...re/picture.htm

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Old 02-22-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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you rallied against slavery in another post but see no correlation to making a woman stay pregnant, labor and deliver against her will. amazing.

yes lets make 13 year old incest victims bear children. great idea, nice way to victimize them all over again.
Did we free slaves at the cost of killing others?

You seem to have a convoluted understanding of logical process or reasoned evaluation.

Is a child in a womb a life? Yes or no?

First answer this as it can only be answered with a single correct answer. Your failure and attempt to answer in any other way than that correct answer is an admission of irrational evaluation and all discussion with you then is irrational and pointless.

So, please answer the question so I can gauge whether you are reasonable enough to even attempt a discussion with.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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First trimester, no restrictions.

Second trimester, some restrictions.

Third trimester, lots of restrictions.
I think millions of Americans agree with you on this.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Pedro, since you are so hot about this topic, I really hope you are using birth control right? Or, better yet get a vasectomy...

If you aren't impregnating anyone, then no worries right?

I think in this world, we do not have a right to enforce OUR morality on other people--

(this has probably been said, but I reiterate:
i.e. if you don't believe in abortion - then by all means DONT HAVE ONE)
I had a vasectomy.

Hmm, so you want a society we're we don't force the morality on others and we shouldn't have laws against rape. Ok. I find that horribly wrong.

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you refuse to answer the question now asked three times?

you assume too much and read things into my posts that are not there. I am ok with a woman's choice, not ok with infanticide or murder of a born individual.
Terminating a late term pregnancy is infanticide - the killing of an infant.

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How in the name of all that is holy did you come to that conclusion?
I'm saying there is a difference in a born human's dependency on others be they infants, toddlers, children, mentally deficient, physically handicapped or elderly and a fetus's dependency on the human host. You keep referencing science, look it up.
A baby at 32 weeks in the womb is still a baby.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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I think millions of Americans agree with you on this.
You can see that there are plenty of radicals that do not.
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