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Its funny how I am able to find some many Swedish sources in a short period of time while you can't find anything than claims made by some partisan hack on FOX
Except that Horowitz did not use numbers from Sweden.
These are numbers from Sweden. Different colors represent differnet types of crime, while light blue is total. Horiwitz is not telling you the truth. Maybe you prefer spinning it, like if you had 1 murder in 2000 and 2 in 2001, and then argue that murders have doubled. There has been hardly any change in crime rate in past 20 years, and our murder rates in US remain higher than in Sweden.
Number of crimes reported per 100,000 population in Sweden.
Yep. I watched it last night. Horowitz simply isn't understanding, or chooses not to understand, that Sweden classifies rape in all sorts of ways. Lemon not only used State Department numbers, but he also used BRA numbers.
Last edited by Magnatomicflux; 02-22-2017 at 04:33 PM..
Pertinent to this discussion, which is running on fear, hysteria, hyperbole, and tabloid-esque "fake news", it is good to get some context and evaluate what is really going on.
Swedish authorities and criminologists say President Donald Trump is exaggerating crime in Sweden as a result of its liberal policy of accepting refugees from Syria and other Middle Eastern countries.
Statistics show there has been an uptick in some crime categories since the country took in 160,000 asylum-seekers in 2015. But experts said there is no evidence of a major crime wave.
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Sweden saw a dramatic increase in asylum applicants in 2015, with more than 162,000 people arriving in the country, according to the Swedish Migration Agency. Of those, more than 51,000 were from Syria, with another roughly 42,000 from Afghanistan and 21,000 from Iraq. All told, Sweden has taken in nearly 200,000 refugees and migrants in recent years, more than any other country per capita in Europe, the BBC reported.
That’s a big number for a country with a population just under 10 million. (By way of reference, a comparable number based on the population of the U.S. would come to about 5.2 million. President Barack Obama set the level of refugees the U.S. would accept in fiscal year 2017 at 110,000 before he left office, but Trump cut that number to no more than 50,000.)
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While there has been an uptick in some crime categories, government statistics from Sweden do not corroborate the claim of a major crime wave due to immigrants.
According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BrÃ¥), lethal violence (murder, manslaughter and assault that results in death) totaled 112 victims in 2015. That’s up by 25 (a sizable increase) from 2014, but it’s about the same as the number in 2007, which was 111 victims.
“In a long-term perspective, ever since the 1990’s when BrÃ¥ started the measurements, the trend shows that lethal violence is declining,” the website says.
The group’s latest Swedish Crime survey for 2016 found that 13.3 percent stated that during the course of 2015, they were exposed to offenses that included assault, threats, sexual offenses, robbery, fraud or harassment.
“This is an increase as compared with the preceding year (in 2014 the percentage was 11.3%), but is approximately the same level as in 2005,” the report states. “When compared with 2014, the increase was greatest for threats, sexual offences, and harassment. The results from coming years will show whether the increase for the most recent year is the beginning of a new trend, or a temporary deviation from an otherwise relatively stable level.”
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Henrik Selin, head of the Department for Intercultural Dialogue at the Swedish Institute, told us the surge of asylum seekers in 2015 has created challenges for Sweden, but he said reports from right-leaning media about a surge of immigrant crime have been “highly exaggerated.”
“So many things are being claimed,” Selin said. “If you look at the facts, there is nothing to support the claim that the crime rate took off after the 160,000 came in 2015.”
Crime has generally been trending down for the last decade, but there was a small uptick last year, he said. While it’s true that immigrants have been over-represented among those committing crimes — particularly in some suburban communities heavily populated by immigrants, he said — the issue of crime and immigration is complex. Upon closer examination, Selin said, researchers have found that the crime is more closely associated with factors like joblessness, poverty and exclusion from society. “It is not clear that immigrants are susceptible to committing such crimes,” he said.
Nor is it at all true, Selin said, that there are so-called no-go zones where police are afraid to patrol, or where locals have instituted sharia law, as Horowitz claimed. Selin’s refutation was echoed by Felipe Estrada Dörner, a criminology professor at Stockholm University, interviewed by the Washington Post.
But that is not to say there are not some “challenges in the short term … that we need to deal with,” Selin said.
Jerzy Sarnecki, a criminology professor at Stockholm University, said that claims about surging violence due to immigration are “lies.”
“But really good lies always have a little bit of truth in them,” Sarnecki told us in an email. “So also in this case.”
Sarnecki noted that Sweden has a “very broad legal definition of rape” and that “Swedish women are aware of their rights and have a high propensity to report sexual assaults, and we calculate crimes in a different manner than comparable countries.”
Sweden has a low rate of lethal violence compared with other countries, he said. But he allowed that there has been an uptick recently.
“The number of these cases [of lethal violence] have fallen sharply since 1990 but increased slightly in the past two years,” Sarnecki said. “This increase, however, has nothing to do with the recent large refugee wave.”
“Obviously,” he said, “the large reception of refugees in a short time causes various types of strains in a small country like Sweden, but these problems are exaggerated greatly by populist movements that are ideologically close to Mr. Trump.”
Trump’s comments led us to wonder, what is Sweden’s immigration policy? How large scale is it, and has it lead to crime increases? There are more asylum seekers in Sweden, but crime statistics seem to have been going down, not up.
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The Fox News report Trump appears to be referencing is a segment on Tucker Carlson Tonight, in which Carlson interviewed Ami Horowitz, a filmmaker who traveled to Sweden to report on the alleged negative impacts that refugees had in the Nordic country.
Horowitz said there had been an "absolute surge in gun violence and rape in Sweden once it began its open-door policy." He also claimed that violence was spreading across Sweden, but that there were attempts to cover up rapes and a refusal to attribute the crimes to refugees.
On top of it all, refugees in Sweden benefit from housing, cash and education assistance, Horowitz added. Only about 500 of more than 160,000 recent arrivals were working, Carlson noted.
Horowitz’s comments resemble Trump’s hard-line immigration stance. Trump opposes Syrian refugee admissions due to distrust of the vetting process. As a presidential candidate, Trump claimed Mexico sent rapists, drugs and crime to the United States.
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"In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) years, and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of immigration has lead to increased crime," Selin said.
Generally, there’s a certain over-representation of people with immigrant background in crime statistics, but that tends to be closely related to high levels of unemployment, poverty, exclusion, low language and other skills, Selin said. "Swedes with these characteristics are also overrepresented in crime statistics," he said.
If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News segment highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to the police in 2015, down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention.
The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 and 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in Sweden, when a single case is reported, every incident associated with the case is also reported as an offense during the same year.
The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed to new legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be classified as rape.
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A 2016 Swedish Crime Survey (which reflects crimes in 2015) found that 13.3 percent of about 11,900 survey respondents were exposed to one or more offenses (categories: assault, threats, sexual offences, robbery, fraud or harassment.)
The 13.3 percent in 2015 is an increase from 11.3 percent in 2014, but about the same level as in 2005, the survey said. The report does not make any reference to or distinction on crimes committed by immigrants.
Yep. I watched it last night. Horowitz simply isn't understanding, or chooses not to understand, that Sweden classifies rape in all sorts of ways. Lemon not only used State Department numbers, but he also used BRA numbers.
Horiwitz is trying to argue murders are up 70% because of migrants, and sadly even the president of the United States goes on front of the TV cameras to pass it on as fact.
Fake News by FOX, and fake news by the "president".
No go zones don't exist in London either. My cousins live in a neighborhood that has slightly higher rates of property crime that is 29% muslim and is supposed to be a no go zone. the nieghborhood is called Ponders End in Enfield and the only thing is they have a few gangs in the area so it isn't as safe to walk in certain parts Edmonton Green (a ward about a mile or so south of Ponders End). Point is the neighborhood isn't in a state of panic or anythign of the sort.
Its funny how I am able to find some many Swedish sources in a short period of time while you can't find anything than claims made by some partisan hack on FOX
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. In fact, you prove my point even more that the stats for crime and rape have increased in the past few years since 2005. Noone is claiming that the stats are showing a 80% increase, but they have gone up, so....
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. In fact, you prove my point even more that the stats for crime and rape have increased in the past few years since 2005. Noone is claiming that the stats are showing a 80% increase, but they have gone up, so....
Horowiz, who Trump listens to, argues murders are up 70% because of migrants.
It is simply not true.
Him, and Trump practically define the term FAKE NEWS.
The truth is that there has been very little change in the past decades.
Horowiz, who Trump listens to, argues murders are up 70% because of migrants.
It is simply not true.
Him, and Trump practically define the term FAKE NEWS.
The truth is that there has been very little change in the past decades.
You just lied there yourself. In the video, he says 50%, not 70%.
But either way, it's still an increase over the last few years. If something goes up, even by 5%, that's STILL an increase.... A "very little change", according to the data, is still an increase of crime in Sweden. Not a decrease.
So again, what point are you trying to prove?
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Noone is claiming that the stats are showing a 80% increase, but they have gone up, so....
If something goes up, even by 5%, that's STILL an increase.... A "very little change", according to the data, is still an increase of crime in Sweden. Not a decrease.
