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Like if the DNC can shift to: More defense with military, Clandestine operations, stepping further away from NATO, less meddling in world affairs, decrease regulation/red tape, lower taxes/do away with the IRS, legalize marijuana, open border policy/revise immigration law's, pro environment, end lobbyist, end government subsidies, push for a market more free, less meddling in business, regulations on big banks, and push for State run single payee health insurance.
No way should the Democratic Party be centrist. That's been a major fail so far. We are a left wing liberal party, and we should remain one.
That's why Trump won and why you've lost influence almost everywhere in the country. You have BECOME a far left liberal party, but that isn't what the Democrats stood for for decades. Keep pushing the dems further left though, it will be interesting to see what the GOP does when there are enough red states for a constitutional convention without including democrats.
The Democrats have gone too far to the right. Basically, today's Democrats are the Eisenhower era Republicans, and the Republicans (minus Chester Cheetah) are to the right of Atilla the Hun
That is simply insane. But then, anything not left of pure socialism is too conservative for a progressive.
Hell, I've heard many in here claim "Obama was too conservative"
I bet you'd agree.
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That's why Trump won and why you've lost influence almost everywhere in the country. You have BECOME a far left liberal party, but that isn't what the Democrats stood for for decades. Keep pushing the dems further left though, it will be interesting to see what the GOP does when there are enough red states for a constitutional convention without including democrats.
E X A C T L Y !
They don't seem to understand how they are undermining themselves by this double down on what they did wrong in the first place.
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If the democrats move to Bernie policies (socialist) they will continue to get pummeled.
Uggh, that is not why Bernie lost the primaries. The DNC rigged the primary because they were scared that Bernie was going to be the next Mondale or Dukakis. Bernie had support among the people, especially in the South ironically. Just because you think it would cost them votes doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you. If they did, Hillary wouldn't have gotten as many votes as she did in the general election.
Mark my words, if it had been Cheetah vs Sanders, Sanders would have won
Uggh, that is not why Bernie lost the primaries. The DNC rigged the primary because they were scared that Bernie was going to be the next Mondale or Dukakis. Bernie had support among the people, especially in the South ironically. Just because you think it would cost them votes doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you. If they did, Hillary wouldn't have gotten as many votes as she did in the general election.
Mark my words, if it had been Cheetah vs Sanders, Sanders would have won
I honestly don't buy into that conspiracy theory. Sure, the DNC didn't help Bernie out - but it was not rigged. Sanders just got his steam going WAY too late.
I wanted Bernie to win as much as any other Sanders supporter, but he got outvoted (pretty handily, unfortunately) and out-campaigned.
He was, got most of his campaign money from Wall Street. And wimped out on the public option with the PPACA.
I'd like to know how Obama was this big bad commie that the right paints him as
You do understand that ACA was passed without a single R voting on it, right? A single payer solution wasn't acceptable to most of the Dems, and wouldn't have passed, no way.
Obama and the Dems who want single payer took the wedge approach. They passed the ACA knowing full well it would be a failure, and in they would rush with a single payer solution to fix what they broke.
See how that works?
Problem is... they didn't expect to lose the House, then the Senate, then the White House.
The Plans of Mice and Men
bolded: like I didn't already know you believed that as well?
You do understand that ACA was passed without a single R voting on it, right? A single payer solution wasn't acceptable to most of the Dems, and wouldn't have passed, no way.
Obama and the Dems who want single payer took the wedge approach. They passed the ACA knowing full well it would be a failure, and in they would rush with a single payer solution to fix what they broke.
See how that works?
Problem is... they didn't expect to lose the House, then the Senate, then the White House.
The Plans of Mice and Men
bolded: like I didn't already know you believed that as well?
It's interesting no Republican's voted for it when it was actually a Republican plan to begin with.
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You do understand that ACA was passed without a single R voting on it, right? A single payer solution wasn't acceptable to most of the Dems, and wouldn't have passed, no way.
Obama and the Dems who want single payer took the wedge approach. They passed the ACA knowing full well it would be a failure, and in they would rush with a single payer solution to fix what they broke.
See how that works?
Problem is... they didn't expect to lose the House, then the Senate, then the White House.
The Plans of Mice and Men
bolded: like I didn't already know you believed that as well?
What we had before PPACA wasn't working either. Sure it was great if you had a huge bank account to where you didn't need insurance, or was great if you got a good employer provided plan with low/no copays or deductible. But it sucked hard for people who were denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, for people who had to buy there own policies on the open market where rates were jacked up every year (I was one of them pre-PPACA), and for people who hit there lifetime cap and were cut off. All private insurance is for the most part is paying some corporation every month for almost nothing in return, a wealth transfer if you will, sure they would pay out an occasional claim just to keep the government off their back, but I digress....
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