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Old 02-22-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Austin
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If Ellison wins the DNC chair, as it seems he will on Saturday, Sanders' political philosophy/policies/ direction will have won control of the DNC, in my opinion. Feel free to say why you don't.


Do you want the Democrat party to move further Left or move more to the center of the political spectrum? Why do you think your choice is a winning strategy for future elections?

 
Old 02-22-2017, 04:59 PM
 
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I'm not a Democrat (proudly Independent)...

But I think they could serve to move to the center on some issues, particularly on divisive social issues that, while important, are being overexaggerated in the national political discussion.

On other issues, however, particularly economic/middle class issues (HUGE!), they could probably move more to the left - for instance, on stamping out big money from politics (if possible...is it?) and on thinking of legitimate ways to address income inequality, particularly in our hardest hit areas of the country (former industrial centers).

To that last point, I think the party could go a long way by proposing re-purposing efforts for those areas of the country - we have a great opportunity in all of the former manufacturing factories and that workforce - put them back to work on important projects - sustainable energy is a good candidate idea. As an example, my father used to work for a glass company in Toledo, Ohio ("Glass City"!), and after he retired from that position, he helped turn one of their old glass factories into a solar panel R&D and manufacturing facility. More stuff like this!


The main problem I see in politics is that there are only two legitimate political choices - Democrat or Republican - and as they have each moved in their own direction, those that don't align with either party have become more neglected (at least politically).

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Old 02-22-2017, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm not a Democrat (proudly Independent)...

But I think they could serve to move to the center on some issues, particularly on divisive social issues that, while important, are being overexaggerated in the national political discussion.

On other issues, however, they could probably move more to the left - for instance, on stamping out big money from politics (if possible...is it?) and on thinking of legitimate ways to address income inequality.


The main problem I see in politics is that there are only two legitimate political choices - Democrat or Republican - and as they have each moved in their own direction, those that don't align with either party have become more neglected (at least politically
).

The NYTimes wrote in an opinion piece yesterday that the Democrats should abandon the white, working class voters of the Midwest and concentrate on recapturing the "uninspired" voters who abandoned the Democrats in the 2016 presidential election and voted third party by forging a more Progressive Democrat Party. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/o...democrats.html This was an interesting assertion and why I started this thread, actually.
 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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A lot of the progressives are jumping ship and re-branding themselves as they did in the past (ie from communist to progressive to liberal...), many of these progressives are simply moving over to become independents. I have been watching this slowly over the years as more and more progressives are referring to themselves as "independents". Different name, same communist principals.
 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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If Ellison wins the DNC chair, as it seems he will on Saturday, Sanders' political philosophy/policies/ direction will have won control of the DNC, in my opinion. Feel free to say why you don't.


Do you want the Democrat party to move further Left or move more to the center of the political spectrum? Why do you think your choice is a winning strategy for future elections?
The Democrats have gone too far to the right. Basically, today's Democrats are the Eisenhower era Republicans, and the Republicans (minus Chester Cheetah) are to the right of Atilla the Hun
 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Democrats, do you think the DNC should move further Left or to the Center?

It isn't a right vs left issue.

What they need to do is emphasize economic issues favorable to the middle/working class.

That's where they used to be and that was the basis for their success for many years. Now, they concentrate on fringe issues that aren't on most voters' radar screens.

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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The NYTimes wrote in an opinion piece yesterday that the Democrats should abandon the white, working class voters of the Midwest and concentrate on recapturing the "uninspired" voters who abandoned the Democrats in the 2016 presidential election and voted third party by forging a more Progressive Democrat Party. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/o...democrats.html This was an interesting assertion and why I started this thread, actually.
That would be a mistake on their part, in my opinion.
 
Old 02-22-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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A lot of the progressives are jumping ship and re-branding themselves as they did in the past (ie from communist to progressive to liberal...), many of these progressives are simply moving over to become independents. I have been watching this slowly over the years as more and more progressives are referring to themselves as "independents". Different name, same communist principals.
Entrancement of some socialistic principles and ideas does not equate to communism.

Or do you want to have another Constitutional discussion again regarding the "general welfare of the United States" clause (e.g. where you ignore my main arguments and points)?

A very large continuum exists between pure capitalism and pure communism.
 
Old 02-22-2017, 09:44 PM
 
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Libertarian here, not a Democrat. I strongly believe the DNC should move to a more centrist position, and focus on appealing to average white people in the Midwest. Ellison is the wrong choice. I think Pete Buttegieg (mayor of South Bend, Indiana) is the best choice.

And ENOUGH with protecting illegal immigrants!

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Old 02-22-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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No way should the Democratic Party be centrist. That's been a major fail so far. We are a left wing liberal party, and we should remain one.

Corporate Democrats have CRUSHED this party. These bozos like Joe Manchin and Mary Landrieu may as well leave the party. Democrats should be a pro-worker, pro-union, pro-poor to middle class party and stop trying to satisfy the working class and rich alike. Doing that will cause you to lose both groups. Let the rich have the Republican Party.

The Republicans should be given credit for not even pretending that they care about the poor or working class. They are a party that is pro-wealthy and that's worked for them.

Of course, some people are fooled and believe that the Republican Party cares about the poor and working class, but look at their legislation....there's no evidence of it.
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