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He made a promise and it appears he has broken his promise.
Yes, he will lose support.
Lose support from who? He never had the support of the far left and Gay or Transgender communities. You can't lose support from people that never gave it to you.
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I empathize with the plight of transgenders and know it is not an easy road for them. I also understand that the transgender transformation is a lengthy process and that during it they are betwixt and between not really fitting in with the male or female world. During that period they need to be sensitive to others and use unisex facilities rather than the male or female locker rooms. I don't care about the bathrooms as nobody sees anything. Locker rooms is the issue.
Perhaps you don't have kids or your kids were raised as nudists. When my daughter was in middle school my wife found her a female pediatrician because she was no longer comfortable with the male pediatrician she had since birth seeing her not fully clothed. That is more the norm than not. Why in the world would you demand that she'd of been comfortable in locker rooms with people that were not anatomically female when girls her age aren't even comfortable with a male doctor seeing them?
I would add that my son stayed with the male pediatrician but for a physical in middle school was mortified that a female nurse was present for his genital check. Again, that kind of reaction is more the norm than not.
Kids should not be forced to have opposite gender exposure before they are ready. It can't just be demanded of them. Maybe we'd all be better off if kids were raised to be comfortable with nudity, both same sex and opposite sex, but that is far from the norm in our society. If anything we're still moving in the opposite direction vs the way it was back prior to about 1970.
It is not asinine for kids to be shy.
Again, I had a transsexual family member, so the whole issue is sort of personal for me. It's like the people who make fun of and hate them hate my family and are ignorant and don't understand
It is extremely unlikely that a transgender is going to misbehave in a locker room. Their life is tough enough without adding discipline issues onto it too. The issue is the discomfort of the other kids. Why is that concept so hard to understand? Do you have kids? Would you tell your 12 year old daughter to just deal with it and not be shy?
My kids have made it to their 40s without any issues. I kinda doubt that most American kids come within a mile of a transgender in their lifetimes.
This whole "bathroom bills" mania from the GOP is a silly panicked solution in search of a problem.
Again, I had a transsexual family member, so the whole issue is sort of personal for me. It's like the people who make fun of and hate them hate my family and are ignorant and don't understand
Great point. I believe the haters of Muslims and TG people, and they are nothing but haters, don't know a single person who is Muslim of transgender. They, like all xenophobic and bigoted people, just make up all sorts of assumptions in their head that have nothing to do with reality. It's not really a phobia either, just like homophobia isn't a phobia. It's just hate and being a jerk in general. And if you don't personally know any of these people I don't think you have a right to judge them as a group at all.
Being in the Indian community, I know a few Muslims and am also friends with a couple of MTF and one FTM transgender person. I don't mentally stick people in a tiny box and assume that because they have different beliefs or behave differently than me that they are evil, backward, or crazy. If they don't hurt anyone, why do their behaviors matter? (And yes, that includes the bathroom issue). Newsflash: it doesn't.
Because its not about state's rights. Its about rolling back rights on the LGBT community. Please note Trump's plans/ideas re: marijuana legalization.
It's about a prez, any prez, trying to accomplish their personal social policy using edicts that stretch the law beyond belief. Trump restored the decision about T 'rights' to the legislature, where it belongs.
I had a family member who was a transsexual, got the hormones, surgery full nine yards. Perfectly normal in every other way, paid for their own surgery and treatments, and were successful in the working world including owning a sole proprietorship business for 15 years. Doesn't sound like a mental illness to me.
There are people who have a perfectly good limb but they ask doctors to voluntarily amputate it anyway, because they just felt that having that leg was wrong. They too are happy today.
If people told you that they wanted to have a perfectly good leg amputated, or that they have three arms, when they clearly do not, you would probably think that they are mentally disturbed. Psychiatrists, too, long considered such conditions to be psychological in origin. Voluntary amputation, for example, was regarded as a fetish, perhaps arising because an amputee's stump resembles a phallus, whereas imaginary extra limbs were likely to be dismissed as the products of delusions or hallucinations.
If someone is making the full transition, getting the hormones and then the surgery, it is a process that can take up to 10 years. And you will usually end up looking like the opposite sex before surgery with all the hormones. So you would have someone half way or more through the transition and who no longer looks like their birth gender still use the room of their birth gender just because they haven't had the surgery yet? Asinine
I think the poster you replied to specified "school" age kids. Elementary, Jr. High, and High should have absolutely zero part of this. It would be asinine to force this on them. And not to mention, I don't think doctors (An assumption) won't start with the transformation on a minor.
As far as colleges , and any other places, as long as it is stated that they utilize a transgender (or whatever it would be labeled) policy people have a choice whether or not to go there.
Anyone who wants to use this issue as a political tool to incite divisiveness and drive a wedge between the American people -- should be suspect. It's more about their agenda than the rights of a supposedly scared and confused subset of the population. This has received far more attention than it deserves IMHO. Let the states handle it.
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