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Old 02-28-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Formerly New England now Texas!
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Not sure what this has to do with the election, but, it makes sense and expect more of it.
Its more local election / politics. Many cities and some states have significantly higher than federal minimum wage requirements. This is causing companies to seek automation as a venue to lower costs. After kiosks replace ordering, cooks will be replaced. Some of the automated burger machines are amazing, each burger gets a serial number, and is photographed in visible and infrared, veggies are custom cut. Once it's produced for the mass market, many fast food restaurants will need few if any human attendants.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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15,000 /52(weeks in a year)/40 = 7.20 an hour.


So failed argument unless you are arguing that the minimum wage should be dropped lower.
It is not the employers duty to provide a certain income to serve its employees.

A wage is an agreement between the employer and employee to do a service. The employer must put a value on each task. That value includes wages, benefits, training, and so on.

So when wages are forced up by outside interests, they can pass on the increase to the consumer, or they can change how they provide their services.

We are pricing ourselves out of the employment market through higher wages, and through inadequate employees not prepared to do the job.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: USA
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The minimum wage has cost more jobs in this country than anything else.
Jobs that pay below minimum wage aren't worth working.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Anther case of Lib wisdom that has negatively affect food workers! So much for 15$ a hour!
It was going to come eventually. You think it's feasible to keep paying people poverty level wages and expect to never be automated? Businesses always look for ways to make more money period.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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Jobs that pay below minimum wage aren't worth working.
Nonsense.

I got my start in the working world as a teenager frying hamburgers at McDonalds. It was excellent experience. Gave me incentive to go to college, learn to be an engineer and a great career.

These days those opportunities are disappearing because "do gooders" who don't understand these things have made it too expensive for business to provide similar jobs to the current generation.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Jobs that pay below minimum wage aren't worth working.
Some people just don't know how to work smart... instead work stupid these days even if it means working at poverty level wages... I really don't understand the mentality.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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What if there's an anti robot backlash against a company that goes automated?
George Jetson said it best " Jane, stop this crazy thing!"
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Anther case of Lib wisdom that has negatively affect food workers! So much for 15$ a hour!
Honest to Pete, you post the dumbest damn things.

This move to kiosks is part and parcel of the world-wide trend to automation. Anything that speeds up services and minimizes the need for staff is going to come our way regardless of whether the minimum wage is $ 5, $15, or $50.

We will likely see these kiosks in places where people are paid $7.25/hour. I was in Alaska this summer and there was a kiosk at each table in a sit down restaurant where we ordered and the wait staff bought us food. I suspect they were paid even below minimum wage as they were tipped wait staff.

Paying people a decent wage means that that the rest of us don't have to pick up the tab for Food Stamps, medical care, subsidized housing, etc. U.S. taxpayers pay billions to underwrite the cost-of-business labor expenses of Walmart, McDonalds, etc. What sense does that make?
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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No shock here. Many people are going to be replaced by automation whether or not the minimum wage changes. Meh.
Eventually, this is reasonably true, but the forced wage increase is one of the main factors that is expediting the shift over to them.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: USA
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Nonsense.

I got my start in the working world as a teenager frying hamburgers at McDonalds. It was excellent experience. Gave me incentive to go to college, learn to be an engineer and a great career.

These days those opportunities are disappearing because "do gooders" who don't understand these things have made it too expensive for business to provide similar jobs to the current generation.
What decade are you living in? It's not the 1990s anymore.

Fast Food is now a career for many people, thanks to neoliberal policies that sent good paying jobs overseas.

You think you're safe just because you have an engineering degree? Think again. Employers are finding ways to send white collar jobs overseas and are bringing in foreign workers on H1Bs and paying them peanuts.

Pride cometh before the fall. Maybe someday you will have to work a low-wage McJob just to survive, like a large part of the population.
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