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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
Auto tariffs are more complicated. It depends on the country and type of vehicle and are bilateral.
Pick- up truck production is highly protected by tariff.
VW may choose to make pick- up trucks in the US if they determine there is a market for them. In doing so, they avoid the tariffs/ shipping and can compete. This is no different than when US auto manufacturers establish plants in other countries.
I believe Ford was the first to establish and offshore plant about 90 years ago.
Ford of Europe and Ford of Australia build vehicles that only sell in those markets. And it's a shame, because the Australian Ford Falcon is an awesome car, but, not available in NA
He is the one asking American companies to start manufacturing (presumably) in the USA, etc. How else would we be able to buy American? Same for hiring.
It doesn't matter if we are talking about the Trump name being his brand, where it somehow theoretically excuses him from having to have the goods bearing his name from being made in the USA. It doesn't work that way. You can't have goods made in China and say they're American products just because the dude they're named after lives in the USA.
Buying things made here and hiring workers is a good idea to work on (though not something we could ever achieve 100%, nor would we want to) , but it sure is hypocritical when he doesn't do it himself.
Is it hypocritical of him for wanting to tax imported goods at the border? You know, because he puts his name on clothing from foreign factories. Would that hurt his business or not? You can't have it both ways.
He wants to rewrite the rules so that manufacturers, to include clothing manufacturers, can survive and even profit in the US.
Is it hypocritical of him for wanting to tax imported goods at the border? You know, because he puts his name on clothing from foreign factories. Would that hurt his business or not? You can't have it both ways.
He wants to rewrite the rules so that manufacturers, to include clothing manufacturers, can survive and even profit in the US.
If he's such a shrewd businessman, he may well switch (because it's laughable to think he still doesn't have a finger in his businesses) to American production if it makes sense monetarily. It would just be a show of goodwill to jumpstart that process himself by walking the walk.
Nope, since him and his entire family don't hire or buy American. Ivanka's clothing line is made overseas. Trump ties are made in China. Trump hired undocumented workers at Mar-A-Lago. So it's just more lies and hypocrisy from Trump.
And after what Republicans have done to this country, I kinda do hate America. It's turned into a corruption, Russia-esque cesspool.
This system was set up with the passing of NAFTA and trade agreements by globalists. So where are the factories to buy products? Overseas.
I'm calling BS on the H1-B visa thing. I wasn't aware Trump had tech companies. You don't hire those people for hotel managment or grounds keeping.
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Records show when Trump needed specialty talent, he turned to another foreign guest worker program, the H-1B visa. These included nearly 300 foreign guest workers who came to work as fashion models, engineers, and hotel managers. These workers went mostly to Trump's model management company, his international hotel and tower, and the Trump Organization at large.
Pathetic excuse. It's ok to shutdown our steel industry because Trump's ties are made in China. Nice and sound partisan economic policy genius.
You do know that Trump has countered Obama's policies in order to allow the Keystone Pipeline to be built - and has also said that it will not be built with US steel?
He is not off to what I would call a promising start on this issue.
No argument. Support America, but is the slogan shouted out by Trump but mere campaign marketing? As you point out he is a brander. Not only of offshore merchandise carrying his name but of far more local real estate than he'd like you to realize. His name goes on projects funded by others, built by others.
Now he's attached his name to a political issue. Sure, Democrats have not been as vocal about resolving the very real impact that globalization has had on American workers. Is there a "solution"?
Democrats like Republicans have not attempted to reverse globalization to return to an earlier era. Instead they have acknowledged the issue attempting to mitigate impacts with programmatic-solutions. Like Trade Adjustment Assistance, extended unemployment assistance. And made baby steps towards government intervention in the economy at crisis points like relief provided to the American auto industry.
Democrats championed the working classes when the battle was worker rights in a domestic market. As markets globalized, both Democrats and Republicans turned towards free trade. Although how they proposed to *manage* that turn differed.
The immediate crisis in American jobs is largely due to imports flooding the US market after China joined the WTO at the beginning of the Bush administration then the Great recession. This is not to bash Bush - for rampant politicization does not help except in winning elections - but his Administration with the goal of promoting world stability chose not to use certain economic tools to slow the impact, giving US industries time to adjust. Instead the goal was to enhance US security by creating in China a trading partner with stakes in the game.
My only point is that this is complicated. No idea how or where we go from here although it does strike me that there are two paths. One, government intervention in markets through protectionism and the like to try to *force* profits into the local economy to be distributed through jobs creation with Americans impacted by higher prices. Or, two, let capitalism do its work (which undeniably is now increasingly global) then use government to *force* profits into the local economy to be distributed where necessary with programs with Americans impacted by higher taxes.
Either way, no free lunch. Pros and cons. Perhaps a mixture of both?
But do think that if you ...
*Really* care about America? Look to the root causes. Address what can be altered. Then ask yourself ... what about the Americans who still fall through the macroeconomic cracks? Do they remain part of America or are simply excess Americans in a now world labor market?
This system was set up with the passing of NAFTA and trade agreements by globalists. So where are the factories to buy products? Overseas.
US companies used to be "factories with workers." Agree that many are now global corporations.
When communication and transportation revolutions swept the world, the strong companies adapted while the weaker failed. Many adjusted, as some have pointed out on this thread, by using imported components in domestic manufacturing. Still others import entire product lines to target price-sensitive markets while continuing to produce higher-valued items domestically. Many entrepreneurial start-ups rely on imports.
The success story of the last decade is China. It succeeded in large part by merging governmental support with free-market capitalism (authoritarian capitalism if you will) and by playing to its natural advantages (labor supply, willingness to ignore environmental impact) and put its workers into brand new plants filled with top of the line German-made equipment then sold product into the American market.
No argument that more attention should be paid to American workers that have lost manufacturing jobs. Corporations "adjusted"; the key is to help workers do the same. Government should be involved, just not sure how. But each country needs to play to its natural advantages. Then "protect" THAT model, not try to return to an earlier one. Otherwise we risk breaking what works.
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